aphid 0 #1 February 14, 2013 Commentary: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-seizures/?cid=co5746764 Original government document: http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/crcl-border-search-impact-assessment_01-29-13_1.pdf What was that Constitution thingee? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 February 14, 2013 Yet another reason I won't visit the USA. Its a pity I used to enjoy going there.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 February 14, 2013 QuoteQuoteCommentary: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-seizures/?cid=co5746764 Original government document: http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/crcl-border-search-impact-assessment_01-29-13_1.pdf What was that Constitution thingee? Would you recognize a police state if you were living in one? Irrelevant and diversionary. ETA: I'll modify that a tad - it's relevant if you use my wife's standard of "anything within 10 degrees of separation is relevant". Otherwise, it's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #4 February 14, 2013 Crap, now my family and I won't be able to listen to Los Tigres Del Norte on my transistor radio as we make our way to America~ Jose Conquistor El Delagante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #5 February 14, 2013 Quote Crap, now my family and I won't be able to listen to Los Tigres Del Norte on my transistor radio as we make our way to America~ Jose Conquistor El Delagante Contrary to misconception, the USA has THREE land-borders. Not everything revolves around southern Latino illegal immigration. From the commentary: Quote Meantime, a lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained. At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 February 14, 2013 Quote Quote Crap, now my family and I won't be able to listen to Los Tigres Del Norte on my transistor radio as we make our way to America~ Jose Conquistor El Delagante Contrary to misconception, the USA has THREE land-borders. Not everything revolves around southern Latino illegal immigration. From the commentary: Quote Meantime, a lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained. At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit. Well, first of all, he has a spicky name. Bad enough, eh? And, I looked up his photo: http://www.aclu.org/files/emvideo_thumbs/emvideo-youtube-ZAED9s4TsYo.jpg Look at him! He looks like Che Guevara. Lastly, he has a beard. So does Santa Claus, which rhymes with probable cause. Case closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #7 February 14, 2013 What if I use Truecrypt to encrypt my laptops HD and then when the DHS folks ask for the encryption key I give them the finger (or tell them its my work laptop and they'll have to sign an NDA with the company or some such BS). Will they steal my laptop or ship me back to the land of the free (Europe)?Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quack 0 #8 February 14, 2013 Quote What if I use Truecrypt to encrypt my laptops HD and then when the DHS folks ask for the encryption key I give them the finger (or tell them its my work laptop and they'll have to sign an NDA with the company or some such BS). Will they steal my laptop or ship me back to the land of the free (Europe)? I just spoke with our business IT people about confidential business information. They told me to remove any sensitive information prior to travelling, be cooperative at all times, and upon returning to Canada to have the device that was inspected completely reloaded. Since the travel may involve having to have sensitive information with me I guess I will just not travel with anything but paper. When they want to seize that I will start a bonfire. j/k Or, perhaps not go in the first place. If the land of the free is going to insist on more and more silliness, eventually people will not be as eager to cross the border to spend their money. But you have to understand, mental illness is like cholesterol. There is the good kind and the bad. Without the good kind- less flavor to life. - Serge A. Storms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 February 14, 2013 Quotethe ME hm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 February 14, 2013 thx. i think the article said he was a student at mcgill & was returning from montreal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #11 February 15, 2013 Unfortunately, this is not new. I watched an IT guy in line ahead of me get pulled out and told to unlock his laptop, phone, and a bunch of thumbs and a portable drive. He told them where to shove it; trade secrets, sensitive info, etc. They seized everything with a button or battery and basically said "Fuck you, have a nice flight. We'll keep this as long as we care to." This is where TSA scares me. They have no rationale for their actions, break their own rules, and I still haven't heard a good reason for their existence - let alone a good reason for them having authority to search anyone. We all ready know they want to get into trains and buses, and our cars aren't far behind. They think they're above reproach and beyond constitutional restraints, and it's only a matter of time. The agency has no reason to exist, and in DC that equals having no reason to stop reaching and expanding. It's not mission creep; it's mission red-light, green-light.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
