Should background checks include identifying the mentally ill

[lawrocket 3]

Right. The Second Amendment would merely be a part of what is lost. The 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th would be the real prizes. The right to privacy is, after all, an "unnecessary legal obstacle."

Note: I called it 18 months ago - gotta get rid of HIPAA.
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>The second amendment would merely be a part of what is lost. The 1st,4th,5th and 14th would be the real prizes. The right to privacy is,after all, an "unnecessary legal obstacle."

Yikes! Smells like a communist dictatorship.

[billvon 3,102]

>Yikes! Smells like a communist dictatorship.

And it's just like Hitler. Don't forget Hitler.

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Hitler,Stalin,Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot all implemented gun control.
Nazi controlled germany=13 million murdered.
Communist controlled soviet union=20 million murdered.
Communist controlled china=20 million murdered.
Cambodia under Pol Pot=1-3 million murdered.
You think the US 2nd amendment has caused as many human rights violations and murders as these gun control regimes?
The first thing the leaders of these regimes did was to get rid of any threats of resistance,meaning guns and anyone who looked to smart for their own good.
I myself am very happy that we have all of our constitutional rights,especially the 2nd amendment right.

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>Yikes! Smells like a communist dictatorship.

And it's just like Hitler. Don't forget Hitler.

Adolf was, of course, a (National) Socialist.

Mussolini was a lifelong Communist.

Think of it like curvilinear space - if you go far enough in either direction, you wind up in the same place. Are you better off being purged by Chairman Mao, Joe Stalin or Adolf Hitler? Six of one, half a dozen of the other (though Mao made Hitler look like a rank amateur by dint of sheer numbers).

I really should take the time to finish reading Mein Kampf, but it is so badly written that doing so is downright painful. After the first hundred pages or so, the tone does not change and it does not get any better, so the inclination is to conclude that you get the drift and move on. Marx is not much, if any, better, but I forced my way through the "Communist Manifesto."

In either case, you have a set of wretched writings that form the basis for political orthodoxy; on that basis the True Believers [tm] will justify doing ANYTHING.

The distinction between Commies and Fascists is like that between Democrats vs. Republicans - the only significant difference is the constituencies to which they pander. Put them in power without adult supervision, and the results are pretty much the same.


BSBD,

Winsor

[davjohns 1]

I'm ok with your curvilinear space analogy. Any extreme that will brook no dissent or moderation is dangerous.

There was a line in the original 'Heavy Metal' movie, "Death! Death to all who oppose us!" There was no underlying creedo, philosophy, sociology, etc. Just kill everyone who isn't us or doesn't join us. Reminds me of some of the people who post here...

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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And another nutter with a gun. I hope you feel good protecting these people.

abcnews.go.com/US/conn-grandmother-killed-kids-sick/story?id=18608766

(What about the kids' rights to not be shot dead? Or don't they count?)

It will be interesting to see if you have to eat your stawman

And the kids have every bit as much right to live as they would to own a gun

So you need a dictionary too.

Really

So you dont think that saying we want loonies to get guns is a strawman?

That is interesting

I guess I figured you was smart enough to know that we dont

Anyway

My bad

Comprehension problem back again, I see.

And you continue with the no content snide remarks

Go figure

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[davjohns 1]

You keep pointing it out like it is going to effect his behavior one day. There's a reason I refuse to respond to him or even look at threads he starts.

It crosses my mind after my last post...could extreme socio-political views be deemed a mental illness? It certainly seems like that is a class who might need to be disarmed. Just random electrons in the brain.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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You keep pointing it out like it is going to effect his behavior one day. There's a reason I refuse to respond to him or even look at threads he starts.

It crosses my mind after my last post...could extreme socio-political views be deemed a mental illness? It certainly seems like that is a class who might need to be disarmed. Just random electrons in the brain.

They at least should take away his plane

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

Do you think the many mass shootings by mentally ill people that we've seen in recent years are a problem or not?

If not, why not?

If so, what do YOU think can be done to ameliorate the problem? (Note that I'm not asking for a guarantee for it to be eliminated altogether)?

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[lawrocket 3]

John:

Do you think Constitutional limitations are a problem or not?

If not, why not?

If so, what do YOU think can be done to ameliorate the problem?

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John:

Do you think Constitutional limitations are a problem or not?

A non-issue. The Supreme Court has long recognized limitations to the the rights granted in the Constitution, and continues to do so. It's a matter of determining where the line is drawn, not whether a line can be drawn.

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If so, what do YOU think can be done to ameliorate the problem?

Moot - see answer to first question.

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[lawrocket 3]

So you don't see the Constitution as a limitation?

That explains a lot.

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[billvon 3,102]

>Hitler,Stalin,Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot all implemented gun control.

There ya go.

Hitler was also a conservative.

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>Hitler,Stalin,Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot all implemented gun control.

There ya go.

Hitler was also a conservative.

seems like he had pretty liberal ideas for that era

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>Hitler was also a conservative.

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Hitler was a Nazi,which was the National Socialist German Workers' Party,or NSDAP,commonly known in english as the NAZI party.
Hitler had some very extremist ideas and philosophies which I would not consider conservative.
When he came to power he took control of business and industry which is what dictators do.
He felt that the rights of the individual citizens should be forfeit for the benefit of the reich,and he being the supreme leader knew what was best for everyone.
Sounds more liberal than conservative.Kinda like banning 2 litre jugs of soda and the serving of pitchers of margaritas in new york.

[kallend 2,146]

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So you don't see the Constitution as a limitation?

That explains a lot.

Explain how the Constitution limits requiring background checks on all gun transfers, including those at gun shows.

Do you know what this expression means, and who wrote it: "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited"?

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>Hitler,Stalin,Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot all implemented gun control.

There ya go.

Hitler was also a conservative.

Very Stupid Statement.

[dmcoco84 5]

So... are you saying, that before the First Amendment was ratified, you could lie under oath?

[billvon 3,102]

>Very Stupid Statement.

Yes. Thanks for demonstrating my point.

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So you admit that claiming Hitler was a conservative is a very stupid statement?
The nazis were national socialist. National socialism encouraged strict government control of business and the nationalization of banks and health care.
Sounds pretty liberal by american standards.
Hitler wanted gun control and also as much personal information as he could get about the citizens under his rule.
Conservatives promote gun ownership and the protection of individual rights like privacy,along with little if any government intervention in business or banking.
It seems like hard left liberals are alot like nazis.
I personally do not like hard left or hard right.

[kallend 2,146]

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So... are you saying, that before the First Amendment was ratified, you could lie under oath?

You have a very poor grasp of logic.

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