OBAMA's State of the Union

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"IS STRONG"

Horrahhh!, but

Millions are out of work.

Pandering to the middle class.

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"IS STONG"

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4440831;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

[wmw999 2,589]

Um -- I'm not usually like this, but I'm not sure the "devalues what you've written" part applies here. It would imply something that might not be accurate.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I'm trying to watch and type and watching is winning over typing. Fixed it.

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This speech is so goofy I can barely watch. He said he wants to get rid of cars yet wants to fix the bridges.

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This speech is so goofy I can barely watch. He said he wants to get rid of cars yet wants to fix the bridges.

Yeah, that's it. He wants to take your cars. Excellent listening skills, too.

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Um -- I'm not usually like this, but I'm not sure the "devalues what you've written" part applies here. It would imply something that might not be accurate. Wendy P.

Lady, you're killing the buzz.

[wmw999 2,589]

Dunno -- have you ever heard me be quite so bitchy???

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Dunno -- have you ever heard me be quite so bitchy??? Wendy P.

I'm pretty sure I've never heard you.

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Put people back to work building homes in run down neighborhoods.

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Put people back to work building homes in run down neighborhoods.

Superb idea. Really. I imagine Habitat for Humanity could begin the network.
This sounds very much like FDR's job-creating public works programs as part of the New Deal during the Depression.
Congratulations. You're a liberal Democrat.

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Put people back to work building homes in run down neighborhoods.

Superb idea. Really. I imagine Habitat for Humanity could begin the network.
This sounds very much like FDR's job-creating public works programs as part of the New Deal during the Depression.
Congratulations. You're a liberal Democrat.

I'm quoting OBAMA. What works is getting the people who ran down the neighborhood out of the neighborhood, raise the property prices and have new people move to the area. i. e. 14th Street Washington DC. It worked there. Good people usually leave before the it becomes a hood.

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What do we do with those people? I can assure you that just rousting the poor and homeless doesn't really make them disappear -- it just moves them around.

Some of them are very, very difficult to work with productively. Others are unlucky, and others are that 50% who are below average intelligence.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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What do we do with those people? I can assure you that just rousting the poor and homeless doesn't really make them disappear -- it just moves them around.

Some of them are very, very difficult to work with productively. Others are unlucky, and others are that 50% who are below average intelligence.

Wendy P.

Get back to you later... This is getting too good.

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What do we do with those people? I can assure you that just rousting the poor and homeless doesn't really make them disappear -- it just moves them around.

Some of them are very, very difficult to work with productively. Others are unlucky, and others are that 50% who are below average intelligence.

Wendy P.

I don't know the solution. All I know is property owners sell out when the neighborhood goes bad, then those that can't sell default and move out anyway leaving empty houses for gangs and homeless to live in. Maybe just let them live in run down neighborhoods. ??????
In DC, they moved out of the ghetto, buildinga sold, shells were sold for $20,000, fixed up and now they are $700K ro $1m. In fact, DC has seen quite a rejuvenation. Even H street is redone and there was a time if you walked there you'd be shot.

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Obama moved out. He's now on PA ave.

People don't deserve a vote they deserve better policing and enforcement.

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This speech is so goofy I can barely watch. He said he wants to get rid of cars yet wants to fix the bridges.

Did you hear that he wants to eat children too? And confiscate your home and give it to Kenyan Muslims?

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Hi CHUTE,

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People don't deserve a vote

Are you saying that some people, who are currently qualified to vote, do not deserve to have a vote?

If so, I hereby put you on that same list.

JerryBaumchen

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Obama moved out.

Moved out of what? A "hood"? He never lived in a "hood". FFS, he's whiter than you are.


Oh, by the way...

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I'm quoting OBAMA.

Too late. I've already called you a liberal Democrat. Now everyone will think you are. Muuuhahahaha!

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From the SOTU:

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I realize that tax reform and entitlement reform will not be easy. The politics will be hard for both sides. None of us will get 100 percent of what we want. But the alternative will cost us jobs, hurt our economy, visit hardship on millions of hardworking Americans. So let's set party interests aside and work to pass a budget that replaces reckless cuts with smart savings and wise investments in our future. And let's do it without the brinksmanship that stresses consumers and scares off investors.

Here's a thought, Mr. President: why not appoint a bipartisan commission to study it and release a report detailing key policy provisions and an outline for how to make this happen?

Oh, that's right. You already did that. http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf

To his credit, The President acknowledged Simpson-Bowles re: Medicare but artfully ignored the recommendations. He said he wanted to achieve the same savings as Simpson-Bowles but since I read Simpson-Bowles, I am curious as to whether the President is referring to the phantom savings that are always projected but never happen. I'll bet it is.

The President (and Congress - both sides) did their best to ignore this fine document because it actually described the shit sandwich and honestly said that everyone will have to take a bite.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Wow, the press actually wrote something like THIS??


The president spins his accomplishments on jobs, health care and deficit reduction in annual address.


President Obama put a rosy spin on several accomplishments of his administration in his 2013 State of the Union address.

The president claimed that "both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion." But that's only an estimate of deficit reduction through fiscal year 2022, and it would be lower if the White House used a different starting point.
Obama touted the growth of 500,000 manufacturing jobs over the past three years, but there has been a net loss of 600,000 manufacturing jobs since he took office. The recent growth also has stalled since July 2012.
He claimed that "we have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas." Actual mileage is improving, but Obama's "doubled" claim refers to a desired miles-per-gallon average for model year 2025.
Obama said the Affordable Care Act "is helping to slow the growth of health care costs." It may be helping, but the slower growth for health care spending began in 2009, before the law was enacted, and is due at least partly to the down economy.
The president also made an exaggerated claim of bipartisanship. He said that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney agreed with him that the minimum wage should be tied to the cost of living. But Romney backed off that view during the campaign.

Analysis

President Barack Obama gave his State of the Union address to Congress on Tuesday, laying out his legislative agenda for the coming year and achievements of his time in office. But Obama puffed up his record.

Deficit Reduction

Obama said the administration and Congress "have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion." A bipartisan group called the estimate "very reasonable." But it is only an estimate — and a debatable one at that — for deficit reduction from budgets through fiscal year 2022. Exactly how much will be cut will be up to future Congresses.

And, even if Congress meets those deficit-reduction goals, deficit spending will continue and the federal debt will grow larger — unless much more is done.

Obama: Over the last few years, both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion — mostly through spending cuts, but also by raising tax rates on the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans. As a result, we are more than halfway towards the goal of $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists say we need to stabilize our finances.

Obama has cited the $2.5 trillion figure on numerous occasions, including at a Jan. 14 news conference. It is based largely on two pieces of legislation: the Budget Control Act of 2011, which placed caps on discretionary spending beginning in 2012, and the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which prevented tax hikes on most Americans in 2013 but allowed rates to go up on the top 1 percent of taxpayers. There was some additional savings from reductions in discretionary spending in the fiscal 2011 appropriations bills.

Republicans challenge the $2.5 trillion figure with some justification, because the amount of savings depends heavily on the baseline — that is, the starting point of comparison. The White House told us it used the Office of Management and Budget's January 2011 baseline.

In a recent report, the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated the deficit reduction at $2.7 trillion, using the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office's August 2010 baseline. But it also acknowledged that "there is no simple answer to the question of how much deficit reduction has been enacted so far." The report says starting a year earlier or later would reduce the estimated savings.

CRFB, Feb. 11: Although $2.7 trillion is a very reasonable estimate of enacted savings, it is by no means the only way to measure past savings. It is worth noting that the discretionary savings in this number are in fact calculated from the high point of discretionary spending. Measuring either from a year later or from a year earlier would result in a smaller savings number because base discretionary spending (excluding the effects of the stimulus) actually increased between 2009 and 2010 due to larger-than-projected appropriations.

As we have written once before, the vast majority of the deficit reduction has yet to materialize. Congress is supposed to comply with the caps on discretionary spending imposed by the Budget Control Act in future appropriations bills. But whether that happens remains to be seen.

And, even if Congress complies, deficit spending will continue, and the federal debt will rise — just not as quickly as it otherwise would have. The latest CBO figures show the public debt — that is, the amount the federal government owes the public — will approach $20 trillion in 2023, an increase of more than $8 trillion from its current level of $11.6 trillion.

For that reason, most budget experts warn that the president understates the scope of the budget problem when he says, as he did in his speech, that "we are more than halfway towards the goal of $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists say we need to stabilize our finances." The nonpartisan Concord Coalition says the president's goal of accomplishing $4 trillion in deficit reduction "would hardly mean the ‘job is finished.'"

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget struck the same cautionary note in its report, saying the progress so far is "notable" but enacting $4 trillion in deficit reduction will not stabilize the debt.

CRFB, Feb. 11: Declaring victory with an additional $1.5 trillion would be dangerous, however, since it would leave no margin for error, would result in slower economic growth, would leave little fiscal flexibility, and would have little chance of stabilizing the debt beyond the ten-year window. For these reasons, we believe the debt must be not only stable, but on a clear downward path by the end of the decade.

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Manufacturing Jobs

The president was correct when he said U.S. "manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three" years, but that's not the whole story.

Overall, there has been a net loss of more than 600,000 manufacturing jobs since Obama took office in January 2009, and manufacturing job growth during his tenure has stalled since reaching a peak of nearly 12 million jobs in July 2012.

Obama: After shedding jobs for more than 10 years, our manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three.

Over the past three years — since January 2010 — the U.S. economy has added 490,000 manufacturing jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 11,950,000 manufacturing jobs in January 2013 — up from the 11,460,000 jobs recorded in January 2010. However, there were 12,556,000 manufacturing jobs in January 2009. So overall, there has been a loss of 606,000 jobs since Obama took office.

More recently, "manufacturing growth has been stuck in neutral," as the National Association of Manufacturers said Tuesday in a press release. During the three-year period cited by Obama, manufacturing jobs peaked at 11,957,000 in July 2012. Since then, the jobs figure has fluctuated, and the economy has lost 7,000 manufacturing jobs.

Invoking Romney on Minimum Wage

Making a pitch to raise the minimum wage to $9 an hour, Obama argued for its bipartisan appeal by invoking his 2012 presidential campaign foe, Republican Mitt Romney, as a kindred spirit when it comes to tying the minimum wage to the cost of living. But Romney actually backpedaled a bit on that position during the campaign.

Obama: Tonight, let's declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour. … So here's an idea that Gov. Romney and I actually agreed on last year: Let's tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, so that it finally becomes a wage you can live on.

It's true that during a campaign event on Jan. 7, Romney remarked: "My view has been to allow the minimum wage to rise with the [Consumer Price Index] or with another index so that it adjusts automatically over time."

But just two months later, Romney hedged on that position in an interview with CNBC's Larry Kudlow, saying that in the midst of a recovery, "right now, there's probably not a need to raise the minimum wage.

Mitt Romney: Well, actually, when I was governor the legislature passed a law raising the minimum wage. I vetoed it. … And I said, "Look, the way to deal with the minimum wage is this. On a regular basis," I said in the proposal I made, "every two years we should look at the minimum wage, we should look at what's happened to inflation. We should also look at the jobs level throughout the country, unemployment rate, competitive rates in other states or, in this case, other nations." So, certainly, the level of inflation is something you should look at and you should identify what's the right way to keep America competitive. … Yeah, so that would tell you that right now there's probably not a need to raise the minimum wage.

Car Mileage Double-talk

The president claimed that "we have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas" — which isn't remotely close to being true right now.

In fact, according to the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute, the average EPA city/highway sticker mileage of light duty vehicles sold last month was 24.5 miles per gallon. That's quite good — a record, in fact. And it's 17 percent better than the 21.0 mpg for vehicles sold four years earlier, in the month Obama took office. That's an impressive gain, but it's a far cry from having "doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas."

Obama was referring to his administration's actions for raising future federal fuel efficiency standards, which call for cars and light trucks to achieve 54.5 mpg by the model year 2025. But it remains to be seen whether automakers can produce — and consumers will buy — vehicles that achieve such a doubling of average mileage a dozen years from now.

Health Care Costs

Obama said the federal health care law was "helping" to reduce the growth of health care costs. It may be helping, but the slower growth of health care spending began before the law was enacted. And experts say the down economy has played a role. It's not clear how much impact the federal law has had.

Obama: Already, the Affordable Care Act is helping to slow the growth of health care costs.

From 2009 to 2011, the growth in national health care spending was at its lowest rate in 50-plus years, the entire time the National Health Expenditure Accounts reports have been published by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. Spending grew by 3.9 percent each year for 2009, 2010 and 2011. (The growth in 2008 was 4.7 percent, and 2007′s was 6.2 percent, with higher growth for years previous — see Table 3.)

But the Affordable Care Act wasn't signed into law until 2010, after the recent slowing began. And the bulk of the law, including the individual mandate and federal subsidies to help Americans buy insurance, has yet to take effect. Experts have mainly blamed the economic slowdown for a corresponding reduction in health care spending. Economists and statisticians at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services reported in 2011: "Job losses caused many people to lose employer-sponsored health insurance and, in some cases, to forgo health-care services they could not afford."

The New York Times reported this week that the slower growth meant lower deficits, as federal spending also eased. The Congressional Budget Office reduced its projected Medicare and Medicaid spending for 2020 by 15 percent. The federal health care law may be affecting spending, but it's unclear how much. As the Times said, "Health experts say they do not yet fully understand what is driving the lower spending trajectory."

The economy is part of the reason, said CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf. But the way doctors and hospitals deliver care may be another.

New York Times, Feb. 11: Some insurers have moved away from simply paying per procedure by giving health care providers financial incentives to reduce complications and rehospitalizations, for instance. Doctors, nurses and hospitals have also taken steps to reduce wasteful treatments. Many of the changes predate the 2010 health care overhaul, but the law has also contributed to the changes by offering some financial incentives, health care experts say.

So the health care law gets some credit. It's "helping" to slow the growth of costs, as Obama said. But the reduced growth began before the law was enacted and is due to forces — such as the economy — beyond the control of the legislation.

Puffing Up Renewable Energy

Obama said wind and solar energy have doubled. True, but they're still a very small percentage of energy production and consumption in the U.S.

Obama: We have doubled … the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar.

We looked at this claim when Obama made it several times on the presidential campaign trail last fall. We found that wind and solar energy generation had doubled from 2008 to 2011. Consumption for wind also doubled, and it nearly doubled for solar.

But wind and solar were very small portions of energy generated before — and even after — that increase. Wind was 13 percent of all renewable energy generated in 2011. (Renewable includes biomass, such as ethanol, and hydro.) Solar was 1.3 percent of renewable energy generated. Renewable energy altogether accounted for just 9 percent of U.S. energy consumption in 2011.

Frank V. Maisano, an energy expert at the law firm Bracewell & Giuliani, told us: "Making large increases in wind power or solar power is not as big a challenge, let's say, as making a 50 percent increase in natural gas. … You have to put it into context

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Andy9o8 2]

Next thing you know, the son of a bitch will be standing on an aircraft carrier in front of a sign saying, "mission accomplished". What a tool.

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Its been over 4 years since GWB was in office. When are dems going to stop blaming him for every one of their shortcomings?

BTW obama was going to ride in the most commonly used military tool in his administration...until he realized there were no seats in a drone.

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Its been over 4 years since GWB was in office. When are dems going to stop blaming him for every one of their shortcomings?.

When the rebubs stop droning on about the stuff on monica's dress.

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I'll tell you right now, and from the beginning I have never cared what was on monicas dress.

Personally I think being the president could have yielded much hotter bitches than what was presented to bill for steak and BJ day.