brenthutch 444 #51 February 17, 2013 http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-02-14/u-dot-s-dot-grant-to-korean-battery-firm-paid-workers-to-play “There has not been sufficient market demand to make production at LG Chem Michigan financially feasible,” LG Chem said in the statement. “The cost of filling limited demand from two separate facilities would not make economic sense.” What ever happened to "smart cars, and plug in hybrids, that we all want" I guess we don't want them that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #52 February 17, 2013 Quote I guess we don't want them that much. Not to worry. The government will just figure out a way to force you to buy them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #53 February 17, 2013 >Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #54 February 17, 2013 >What ever happened to "smart cars, and plug in hybrids, that we all want" I don't know. You just made that one up, so you'd have to tell us where it went. Hybrids are doing pretty well; selling by the millions. That was another technology that conservatives mocked and predicted that only smug eco-nuts would buy. Nowadays most car manufacturers offer hybrids. Now PHEV's are coming along and conservatives are mocking them. I predict the same thing will happen. ========================== Electric & Hybrid Vehicle Sales In The US Rose 73% In 2012 January 9, 2013 Electric and hybrid vehicle sales rose 73% in the US in 2012, according to the research firm Mintel. That makes them the fastest-growing sector of the US auto industry, with around 440,000 hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric vehicles sold in 2012. Mintel is predicting that sales in 2013 will rise even more significantly, reaching at least 535,000 units sold by the end of the year, which would be a 14% increase over sales in 2012. And, by 2017, it’s predicted that sales will reach 850,000 units a year, making up 5% of the total car market in the US. =========================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #55 February 17, 2013 Quote>Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #56 February 17, 2013 Quote>"And now for the rest of the story" Translation: "oh shit oh shit they have the data from my drive . . . . I better make some excuses up fast if I want to keep my job." GRIN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #57 February 18, 2013 QuoteOne large advantage of gummint involvement a little earlier is that for systems that require delivery of fuel or service, having a single coordinating entity can make for a much more uniform delivery. Otherwise you might end up with a system where each car has its own plug type (as is the case for some now), or each cell phone company has its own signal delivery -- you know how well that works for the customer, after all. Sometimes the customer is better served by cooperation than by competition; some might end up with lower prices, but then service is a pain in the ass. In Brazil (as an example of what goverment involvement and coordination can do) there wasn't that kind of coordination for electric service delivery. Some places are 220, some places are 110. Some places have one kind of plug, other have another. While there was less government involvement, it's a pain in the ass if you actually want to move from one part of the country to another. Wendy P. This has nothing to do with the argument that the FEDERAL government should not be picking winners and losers. The FEDERAL government should not be funding electric cars and solar panels. Regulations are different, within their Constitutional limits; but we are not longer a Constitutional Republic as it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #58 February 18, 2013 Blah blah blah... topics always go way off topic, and always to the same lame places. Thank God for Fracking! Otherwise, the Untied States would be in a depression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #59 February 18, 2013 QuoteQuote>Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. Only if this is your definition of victory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #60 February 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote>Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. Only if this is your definition of victory. Still got the BDS.... You should seek help for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #61 February 18, 2013 Quote Quote >Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. You said something similar before the election. Hows that working out for you? Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 February 18, 2013 Quote Quote Quote >Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. You said something similar before the election. Hows that working out for you? High unemployment, killing US Citizens, massive deficits, a weak economy...how's that working out. Need a little more Hope and Change, I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #63 February 18, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote >Was it Exxon Mobile out there driving those cars that damaged the environment? No. You must be losing the argument; you're trying to change the subject. You have already lost. You just don't realize it. You said something similar before the election. Hows that working out for you? High unemployment, killing US Citizens, massive deficits, a weak economy...how's that working out. Need a little more Hope and Change, I guess. That is SO 2008. Please try to keep up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #64 February 18, 2013 >You have already lost. You just don't realize it. Dang. Hybrids are dead. I don't have a solar power system or an electric car. Oil is cheap and there is no need for alternatives. Why didn't I realize this before? Good thing you're here to point those things out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #65 February 18, 2013 Quote>What ever happened to "smart cars, and plug in hybrids, that we all want" I don't know. You just made that one up, so you'd have to tell us where it went. Hybrids are doing pretty well; selling by the millions. That was another technology that conservatives mocked and predicted that only smug eco-nuts would buy. Nowadays most car manufacturers offer hybrids. Now PHEV's are coming along and conservatives are mocking them. I predict the same thing will happen. ========================== Electric & Hybrid Vehicle Sales In The US Rose 73% In 2012 January 9, 2013 Electric and hybrid vehicle sales rose 73% in the US in 2012, according to the research firm Mintel. That makes them the fastest-growing sector of the US auto industry, with around 440,000 hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric vehicles sold in 2012. Mintel is predicting that sales in 2013 will rise even more significantly, reaching at least 535,000 units sold by the end of the year, which would be a 14% increase over sales in 2012. And, by 2017, it’s predicted that sales will reach 850,000 units a year, making up 5% of the total car market in the US. =========================== Your are conflating plug-in cars with hybrids, when you break out the volt by itself you get a different picture. " According to Greencarreports.com, “[j]ust 1,336 Volts found buyers outside the States during the portions of the year the car was on sale--against 23,461 in the U.S. Of those, 1,225 of them were sold in Canada. China and Europe together accounted for only 111 Volts.” Remember: This was the European car journalists’ “Car of the Year” for 2012" http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2013/02/11/chevy-volt-follows-stupid-2012-with-stupider-2013-n1509503 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #66 February 18, 2013 >Your are conflating plug-in cars with hybrids Nope, they're not the same - just similar. Hybrids are an example of a technology that conservatives mocked and belittled, just as they are doing with plug in hybrids now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #67 February 18, 2013 Quote>You have already lost. You just don't realize it. Dang. Hybrids are dead. I don't have a solar power system or an electric car. Oil is cheap and there is no need for alternatives. Why didn't I realize this before? Good thing you're here to point those things out. Do you need a life-preserver? You seem to be flailing around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #68 February 20, 2013 Quote>Your are conflating plug-in cars with hybrids Nope, they're not the same - just similar. Hybrids are an example of a technology that conservatives mocked and belittled, just as they are doing with plug in hybrids now. They are not the same they are just the same???? I NEVER mocked non-governmental subsidized hybrids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #69 February 20, 2013 QuoteQuote>Your are conflating plug-in cars with hybrids Nope, they're not the same - just similar. Hybrids are an example of a technology that conservatives mocked and belittled, just as they are doing with plug in hybrids now. They are not the same they are just the same???? I NEVER mocked non-governmental subsidized hybrids. He doesn't understand the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #70 February 20, 2013 >They are not the same they are just the same? No, they are not the same. They are similar. If you want to play the usual bullshit semantic games, then perhaps you can bait Kallend into playing with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
