Expert climate scientists say....

[brenthutch 444]

Winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

"Heavy snowstorms are not inconsistent with a warming planet," said scientist Jeff Masters,

Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.

Masters said that the northeastern United States has been coated in heavy snowfall from major Category Three storms or larger three times in each of the past two winters, storms that are unparalleled since the winter of 1960-61. "

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years.

If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events.

According to Dr. David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

Masters said more snow is on the way next week in the upper Midwest, and the melting snow pack could spark record floods in Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota this spring.

The effects of snow-free winter are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamley’s, toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

[ianmdrennan 2]

Am I reading this correctly? You've posted something supporting climate change?

Performance Designs Factory Team

[brenthutch 444]

I have threaded together what the "experts" have said regarding snow and climate change. One sentence from a few years ago and the next from what they are saying today.

Global warming = no snow, then, global warming = lots of snow (just like we have been saying all along)

[jakee 1,564]

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I have threaded together what the "experts" have said regarding snow and climate change. One sentence from a few years ago and the next from what they are saying today.

Global warming = no snow, then, global warming = lots of snow (just like we have been saying all along)

Yeah, sure very clever.

Slightly less clever is threading together what experts are saying about winter snow in New England and what they are saying about winter snow in England. Similar names, really fucking different in winter.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

They really hate having their religion fucked with.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 2]

It's all about the pie.

[rushmc 23]

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They really hate having their religion fucked with.

+1

The definition of faith really comes into play with this topic

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[brenthutch 444]

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I have threaded together what the "experts" have said regarding snow and climate change. One sentence from a few years ago and the next from what they are saying today.

Global warming = no snow, then, global warming = lots of snow (just like we have been saying all along)

Yeah, sure very clever.

Slightly less clever is threading together what experts are saying about winter snow in New England and what they are saying about winter snow in England. Similar names, really fucking different in winter.

What they were saying is that global warming causes less snow when there is less snow, and global warming causes more snow when there is more snow. There is simply no set of observations that will invalidate the whole man made global warming religion. If winters, springs, summers, and autumns were perfectly normal... they would be unusually normal.

[kallend 2,108]

So climate change means fewer but more extreme snowfall events. So what? There is no contradiction.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

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So climate change means fewer but more extreme snowfall events. So what? There is no contradiction.

So, “snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event" is the same as “an increase in heavy snow events”? Wow, your powers of self-delusion are indeed awe inspiring.

[kallend 2,108]

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So climate change means fewer but more extreme snowfall events. So what? There is no contradiction.

So, “snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event" is the same as “an increase in heavy snow events”? Wow, your powers of self-delusion are indeed awe inspiring.

Is English your native language?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

From the 2001 IPCC (that gold standard in peer reviewed science) Third Assessment Report:

"Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point."

http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg2/569.htm

Who's having trouble understanding English now?

[lawrocket 3]

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So climate change means fewer but more extreme snowfall events.

Climate change also means more but less extreme snowfall events. And considering that we are seeing less extreme snowfall events than in the past (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blizzard_of_1888 - whihc was preceded by a mild winter) then what we're seeing now is happening much like it did in the 1800's - only less extreme.

When we point to subjective terms with vague definitions like "more extreme" then it becomes something that can provide a false feedback. That sure SEEMED more extreme.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[ianmdrennan 2]

Not relevant, but I love the new avatar. Seems fitting

Performance Designs Factory Team

[kallend 2,108]

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From the 2001 IPCC (that gold standard in peer reviewed science) Third Assessment Report:

"Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point."

http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg2/569.htm

Who's having trouble understanding English now?

It is indeed a major problem that we are certainly changing the climate and but don't yet have a full understanding of the ramifications of our actions.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,564]

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So climate change means fewer but more extreme snowfall events. So what? There is no contradiction.

So, “snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event" is the same as “an increase in heavy snow events”? Wow, your powers of self-delusion are indeed awe inspiring.

Again. New England vs England. Look at a map.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[brenthutch 444]

More like 2001 vs 2012. Look at a calendar.

[jakee 1,564]

Do you simply not understand that weather isn't uniform across the planet or what?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[brenthutch 444]

The point is that climate scientist fervently claimed that we would see less and less, snow as the climate warmed. No geographic exceptions were made. Go back and look at the link I provided.

[lawrocket 3]

The alarmists first claimed that there would be less snow. Then they claimed that there would be more snow. Now they claim that mild winters and harsh winters are global warming. In winters like this last winter where CONUS was mild, it was global warming except for the recent winter storm, which was mild because of global warming until it became severe due to global warming.

We remember “Snowmageddon” from three years ago – yep. You had the alarmists claiming that this made perfect sense, since warm air holds more moisture. Then you had the deniers saying, “you guys said there wouldn’t be snow. Shouldn’t it be rain?” Meanwhile, neither were willing to actually use some sense and say, “warm air CAN hold more water vapor but it doesn’t mean it will – see “Death Valley” in summer and “Buffalo, NY” in winter (the importance of “vapor pressure” is not worthy of discussion). Both were using it for political purposes, putting spins on it.

The recent winter storm (it wasn’t even a “blizzard,” folks – it lacked the necessary winds to be one. Calling it a blizzard is like calling a windy day a “hurricane.”) It dropped a shitload of snow, but we’ve seen worse. We’ve seen less. Turns out that the snow itself was within normal limits.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,108]

It is indeed a major problem that while we are certainly changing the climate, we don't yet have a full understanding of the ramifications of our actions.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

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It is indeed a major problem that while we are certainly changing the climate, we don't yet have a full understanding of the ramifications of our actions.

Or even if there are ramifications of our actions.

[wmw999 2,545]

There are always ramifications of our actions. When there aren't a lot of people, those ramifications often aren't important. But the more people there are, the more significant.

After all, it used to be common to just go outdoors to go to the bathroom. There was plenty of outdoors, after all.

The smart people try to figure out what those ramifications are before they turn into a problem that requires a massive effort to resolve, rather than a small deviation earlier. Waiting until there's a cholera epidemic and a sea of waste is not the time to decide that maybe there is a problem with trash and sewage.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[lawrocket 3]

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It is indeed a major problem that while we are certainly changing the climate, we don't yet have a full understanding of the ramifications of our actions.

Which is why we should cease acting and speaking as if we do. The case is not closed and it is not settled.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 444]

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It is indeed a major problem that while we are certainly changing the climate, we don't yet have a full understanding of the ramifications of our actions.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/02/12/Snow-covers-most-of-Spain/UPI-12491360676040/

"The majority of Spain is covered in knee-deep snow and more than 930 miles worth of roads have been closed as a result, officials said.

Madrid, Mancha and Navarra are among the hardest hit regions, thinkSPAIN reported, and areas in the south have already been hit hard or will be soon.

In areas in the western region of Galicia, snow in remote areas has reached as much as 5 feet deep."