davjohns 1 #51 February 7, 2013 I never saw that before. That's pretty scary.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #52 February 7, 2013 I never seen this website before but it is one of only a few places where this video is still out there http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/are-all-those-guns-and-ammunition-for-obamas-civilian-national-security-force_02042013 that I can find anyway I am sure there are more"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #53 February 7, 2013 http://www.examiner.com/article/dhs-adds-200-000-rounds-to-its-2-billion-round-stockpile"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 February 7, 2013 QuoteWell, we are still here Now we even have Biden on tape admitting (what those who think already know) that any or all of the proposals by Obama or anybody else, will not reduce gun deaths or mass murders So, I will still ask, why then do it? Why pass and inforce laws that will not succeed? Well? It has been answered a number of times, you just don't like or agree with the answers you are getting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 February 7, 2013 QuoteQuoteWell, we are still here Now we even have Biden on tape admitting (what those who think already know) that any or all of the proposals by Obama or anybody else, will not reduce gun deaths or mass murders So, I will still ask, why then do it? Why pass and inforce laws that will not succeed? Well? It has been answered a number of times, you just don't like or agree with the answers you are getting. I must have missed the answer Please head me to where it is. Thanks in advance for your help"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #56 February 7, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Yes that's what I said ll The US has a problem with gun violence. Guns kill more Americans than terrorism kills people worldwide. No The US has a violence problen Yet it is less than many other countries that have few guns 76% of US murders are committed with guns. You CAN figure it out if you really try to overcome your prejudice. Fewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also. You might want to check the statistics on gun ownership and murder rate in developed (first world) nations before making a claim like that. http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf Read for yourself. I wrote "FIRST WORLD" nations, you know, kind of like us. Not Belarus and Moldovia and Russia. Try Canada, Netherlands, Australia, UK, Sweden, France... last I knew Russia was a pretty advanced country. I'd even say it was a first world country.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueblur 0 #57 February 7, 2013 QuoteQuotewww.factcheck.org/2008/03/violent-crimes-and-handgun-ownership/ Quote: "Some studies have found that murder rates are higher where guns are more prevalent." Just "some"? In other words, there are also places where guns are more prevalent with LOWER crime rates. Not to mention that second statement in that answer... QuoteBut social scientists have not found a direct causal relationship between the two factors. Good example there Kallend, it pretty much disproves your use of that site as an example.In every man's life he will be allotted one good woman and one good dog. That's all you get, so appreciate them while the time you have with them lasts. - RiggerLee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #58 February 7, 2013 Quote Quote Quote www.factcheck.org/2008/03/violent-crimes-and-handgun-ownership/ Quote: "Some studies have found that murder rates are higher where guns are more prevalent." Just "some"? In other words, there are also places where guns are more prevalent with LOWER crime rates. Not to mention that second statement in that answer... Quote But social scientists have not found a direct causal relationship between the two factors. Good example there Kallend, it pretty much disproves your use of that site as an example. Actually it disproves beowulf's claim, which is what I set out to do It doesn't disprove my claim, it just fails to prove it (which is quite different).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #59 February 7, 2013 QuoteWell, we are still here Now we even have Biden on tape admitting (what those who think already know) that any or all of the proposals by Obama or anybody else, will not reduce gun deaths or mass murders So, I will still ask, why then do it? Why pass and inforce laws that will not succeed? Well? Because one or more of the following apply : 1. Politicians believe attempting to ban them wins more votes and campaign contributions than it looses. This probably holds in urban areas for candidates with low NRA-ILA rankings. 2. Politicians are elite pigs (while all animals are equal, some are more equal than others) who want to limit firearms availability to people outside the ruling class. 3. It makes ignorant people feel good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #60 February 7, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote www.factcheck.org/2008/03/violent-crimes-and-handgun-ownership/ Quote: "Some studies have found that murder rates are higher where guns are more prevalent." Just "some"? In other words, there are also places where guns are more prevalent with LOWER crime rates. Not to mention that second statement in that answer... Quote But social scientists have not found a direct causal relationship between the two factors. Good example there Kallend, it pretty much disproves your use of that site as an example. Actually it disproves beowulf's claim, which is what I set out to do It doesn't disprove my claim, it just fails to prove it (which is quite different). No it doesn't. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. It just makes claims and doesn't provide anything to back them up with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #61 February 7, 2013 Correlation may not imply causality, but causality implies correlation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #62 February 7, 2013 Quote Correlation may not imply causality, but causality implies correlation. This is what I said. > Fewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also. This is from the link you posted. QuoteFewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also. Notice how it says "major studies on this issue have not shown cause-and-effect". So while it doesn't prove anything one way or another it does support what I said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #63 February 7, 2013 QuoteQuote Correlation may not imply causality, but causality implies correlation. This is what I said. > Fewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also. This is from the link you posted. QuoteFewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also. Notice how it says "major studies on this issue have not shown cause-and-effect". So while it doesn't prove anything one way or another it does support what I said. You are correct - it was rushmc's post that was incorrect.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #64 February 8, 2013 Chaos Theory It's real and its happening. A small change can have huge effect. The mere mention of taking away a societies defenses has resulted in panic buying, hoarding those defenses. It's only going to get worst. A gun shop near by was broken into and 20 guns were stolen. Guess there will be no background checks on those items. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #65 February 8, 2013 QuoteChaos Theory It's real and its happening. A small change can have huge effect.. Climate change is a different thread. Tell it to brenthutch.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #66 February 8, 2013 QuoteQuoteChaos Theory It's real and its happening. A small change can have huge effect.. Climate change is a different thread. Tell it to brenthutch. Chaos Theory was explored by Marx, where professor Obama is well versed in Marxist theory. You create chaos so that you can take advantage. Many tyrants use disruption to gain a foothold, litigitmizing using force and suppression to safequard (enslave) the populace. Promoting gun bans and actually banning and taxing guns could be the catalyst for such a gov't lockdown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
