Now we know why FL has one of the highest CCW rates per capita

[rushmc 23]

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Miami-Dade Police Officers Caught on Camera Allegedly Ignoring Emergency Calls


Two officers and a sergeant have been fired by the Miami-Dade Police Department, according to an internal affairs report

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Dade-Police-Officers-Caught-on-Camera-Allegedly-Ignoring-Emergency-Calls-189754261.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[killler 2]

Like this is NEWS.... I know that there are good officers out there.... They are just very hard to find..

Killler....

[rushmc 23]

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Like this is NEWS.... I know that there are good officers out there.... They are just very hard to find..

Killler....

You make a good point

As I do NOT mean to imply that very many of our LEO's are like this
I know this NOT to be true

The point is however, we are responsible for our own safety first.

LEO's can and will help out if they can get there in a timely fashion

The majority of their job is to investigate and gather evidense

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. Or longer...

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Yup and when you make an emergency call for your unconscious 5-year old, you could always turn to your gun for help when they don't show up.

[DougH 270]

More fantastic logic... guns don't perform CPR on 5 year olds = guns are useless.

It would be a perfect example for why parents should go get CPR training, instead of relying only on emergency services.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[rushmc 23]

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Yup and when you make an emergency call for your unconscious 5-year old, you could always turn to your gun for help when they don't show up.

OOohhhh

A gratuate from the kallend institute of thread re-direction

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

Grab someone from the sidewalk. Ask if they know CPR. If they answer in the affirmative, put your gun to their head and tell them to help the child.

Problem solved.

You can get more help with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone. lol

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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More fantastic logic... guns don't perform CPR on 5 year olds = guns are useless.

It would be a perfect example for why parents should go get CPR training, instead of relying only on emergency services.

ONLY if they get the CPR training at a fireing range

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[regulator 0]

That situation would suit you quite well. You can use all that time you spent blowing up those sex dolls as training.

[rushmc 23]

A growing trend it seems

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/chicago-police-changing-response-plan-for-some-911-calls/

Chicago needs to increase it carrying population quickly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[toolbox 0]

It seems you would want EMT's for an unconcious kid or any kind of medical emergency rather than police officers.
The original post was about police response time to calls for help,and the primary job of police is to fight crime and not to give emergency medical aid.
I'm sure many cops have basic CPR and first aid training as do many citizens,but EMT's skills far exceed the basic skillz of police.
So most intelligent people would not be calling the police for medical aid but instead would seek help for a crime in progress where a gun might protect them until law enforcement made the scene.

[toolbox 0]

My roomate,his girl and I are woke up to a drunk indian who was about 6'7" and 300lbs wielding a machete.
We were living in the run down ghetto highlands area of longview washington where alot of the street lights were busted out, so it was pretty dark in that part of town.
This big indian is outside our building yelling for someone named Randy,when he sees Scots girl looking out the window at him.He then proceeds to push our front door in and duck down to step into the apartment at which point I hit him so hard in the nose he drops to his knees and rolls off the porch and staggers away.
Scots girl calls the cops as do several other people in the complex,and we wait over 40 minutes before they get there,at which point they see me standing in the doorway with ice and a towel on my broken hand and they tackle my ass and beat the shit out of me before Scot and the neihbors can call them off me.
They were looking for a large male behaving strange and I guess at 6' 240lbs in my boxers with a towel on my hand,I fit the bill.
They caught the guy the next day after they responded to his mothers house when he broke her arm and beat the shit out of her.
This guy had just been released from prison in alaska 6 weeks earlier for stabbing his sisters boyfriend.
This was 30 years ago.I'm sure things have gotten worse in most parts of the country in the last 30 years.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Miami-Dade Police Officers Caught on Camera Allegedly Ignoring Emergency Calls


Two officers and a sergeant have been fired by the Miami-Dade Police Department, according to an internal affairs report

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Dade-Police-Officers-Caught-on-Camera-Allegedly-Ignoring-Emergency-Calls-189754261.html

That's individual officers and it can get much worse.

During the 1992 riots the LA Police Department was pulled back for their own safety.

The police have no legal obligation to protect any single person - just society as a whole.

[tkhayes 348]

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More fantastic logic... guns don't perform CPR on 5 year olds = guns are useless.

No different that the logic that says the chances of me ever needing a gun in my lifetime are minuscule, so I better carry one around all the time. Just like I carry a fire extinguisher with me every where I go.

[rushmc 23]

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More fantastic logic... guns don't perform CPR on 5 year olds = guns are useless.

No different that the logic that says the chances of me ever needing a gun in my lifetime are minuscule, so I better carry one around all the time. Just like I carry a fire extinguisher with me every where I go.

If given a choice, would you leave your reserve on the ground when you jump?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 897]

Why in the hell would ANYONE want to have a tool on their person that has the potential to save their own life?

[rushmc 23]

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Why in the hell would ANYONE want to have a tool on their person that has the potential to save their own life?

It seems to be an idea lost on many here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DougH 270]

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More fantastic logic... guns don't perform CPR on 5 year olds = guns are useless.

No different that the logic that says the chances of me ever needing a gun in my lifetime are minuscule, so I better carry one around all the time. Just like I carry a fire extinguisher with me every where I go.

I wouldn't fault you for carrying a fire extinguisher in your car, it is a convenient location. If you are willing to spare the small amount of cargo space, and the money to properly mount it and service it, then you will always have it at your disposal. Chances of using it are very small, but you would be at a great advantage it if you needed one.

I put out a small car fire with the fire extinguisher in my old truck. Some dumb ass flicked his butt out the window and it went back in his back car window and got his rear seat smoldering.

Again I wouldn't fault you for carrying a gun on your person, your person is a convenient location to have a handgun, if you have the legal authority to do so. Same as the fire extinguisher you should be willing to spend the money that entails, which includes a proper holster to eliminate accidental discharges, and training to keep your firearms skills fresh.

It is a small inconvenience to have a gun on your person. I pay for a permit, expenses to have regular access to a gun range. I don't drink when carrying and I have to be mindful to avoid locations where a firearm is prohibited. Physically is a small inconvenience at best, mine isn't heavy, conceals well, no issues.

Just like the fire extinguisher you can make your own choice.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It seems you would want EMT's for an unconcious kid or any kind of medical emergency rather than police officers.
The original post was about police response time to calls for help,and the primary job of police is to fight crime and not to give emergency medical aid.
I'm sure many cops have basic CPR and first aid training as do many citizens,but EMT's skills far exceed the basic skillz of police.
So most intelligent people would not be calling the police for medical aid but instead would seek help for a crime in progress where a gun might protect them until law enforcement made the scene.

Lol, one of the ignored emergency calls that the original poster is using as a reason for gun possession was for a 5 year old unconscious.

The other for a suspicious car.

The first for a burglary in process, but it didn't say if anybody was in the house.

So for 2 out of 3 (and pretty damn likely 3 out of 3) your gun would have been useless anyways.

[DougH 270]

It speaks to an overall trend involving the police department, and about how they are performing their job in general.

So if this was your police department, would this make you feel better or worse about their overall performance?

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[regulator 0]

So in this case the gun would be just as useless as your all of your posts.

Hows the weather under that bridge?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It speaks to an overall trend involving the police department, and about how they are performing their job in general.

So if this was your police department, would this make you feel better or worse about their overall performance?

It would be on par with what I think of LEO in general.

It is truly amazing how Americans get anything accomplished with all these constant threats and dangers they need to protect themselves from.

Thankfully I live in a country where I don't have to constantly worry if somebody is going to kill me, even though I live in the 5th largest metropolitan area in North America.

[toolbox 0]

Resonse time is response time. No one has said that a gun would have changed anything in these specific calls.
The response time is the issue.
What if someone had a real threat of harm from a bad guy or bad guys and it took the cops 25 minutes to respond?
What do you do? Beg the bad guys to just wait a little longer for the cops before they attack?
Sounds like some people grew up next to,or live next to the the Beaver and Wally.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Resonse time is response time. No one has said that a gun would have changed anything in these specific calls.
The response time is the issue.
What if someone had a real threat of harm from a bad guy or bad guys and it took the cops 25 minutes to respond?
What do you do? Beg the bad guys to just wait a little longer for the cops before they attack?
Sounds like some people grew up next to,or live next to the the Beaver and Wally.

So what is the average response time for that police department?

All the article said was that they were fired for not responding. It didn't
Mention if other units responded. It didn't mention if reponse time for the calls was over the average.

If it is all about response time, then this article is a piss poor example. I thought the pro-gun crowd wanted fact based arguments and not emotion based arguments?