TX GOP Gov. Rick Perry: "Keep fags out of the Boy Scouts!"

[Andy9o8 3]

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I have been an active adult Leader in Boy Scout troops for over 20 years. I personally don't think homosexuals are a problem, either as members or leaders, nor have I met anyone in my Scouting Career who is truly homophobic. I have run into 2 pedophiles whom we kicked out and reported to the police, but that is a different and disgusting situation.

However, IMHO there are two reasons the BSA has the stance it does:
1. The Mormon church is the biggest problem in that it provides significant revenue to Scouting and it has made it clear it would no longer support Scouting if it allows homosexuals. If BSA loses that revenue stream, they will have to downsize its paid staff or charge more per boy. Personally, I say good riddance to the Mormons.

2. Almost every boy who is active in scouting has to overcome peer group pressure to stay in. It isn't a 'cool' organization. IMHO, I don't believe the gain in membership based on a few gay boys joining is going to offset the exodus of boys who can't deal with the "hey nerds - you now allow fags" taunting.

Eventually, scouting will allow gays. The net effect is it will be a smaller organization for doing so, but IHMO a better organization.

So The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the problem? Just what would that problem be again? The support and membership the Church brings? That's a problem? Only problem we have here is the homosexual agenda of destroying everything/everyone that doesn't agree with their lifestyle. You wont see me trying to join the NAACP so why the fuck do the gays want to join the boy scouts other then to destroy it...Well that and reqruitment...

Congratulations. You just won the prize for the most utterly ignorant post on these boards this week.

[jakee 1,610]

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So The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the problem? Just what would that problem be again? The support and membership the Church brings? That's a problem? Only problem we have here is the homosexual agenda of destroying everything/everyone that doesn't agree with their lifestyle. You wont see me trying to join the NAACP so why the fuck do the gays want to join the boy scouts other then to destroy it...Well that and reqruitment...

As a display of ignorance, that post is quite outstanding. As a statement of values, it's quite repugnant.

First, you may be interested to know that the NAACP had several white founders, its first president was white and the organisation has always had white members and leaders. So that's the first nonsense dealt with.

Secondly, why would gay people only want to destroy the scouts? What wold make gay people fundamentally unable to enjoy or find valuable any of the activities or beliefs of the scouts except for the one that says 'no gays'?

Finally, 'recruitment'. I don't even need to dignify that with a response.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DiverMike 5]

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Congratulations. You just won the prize for the most utterly ignorant post on these boards this week.

I agree in principle, but I also realize I could have worded my opinion a little better. The Mormon church is not the problem. The problem is Scout Executives who feel the BSA is better by keeping the support of the Mormon Church instead of changing a policy that is clearly outdated.

The BSA relies heavily on donor support. If it loses the big whale that the Mormon church is, they are going to have to hope more donors step forward if they allow gays. That probably won't happen.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[billvon 3,132]

>You wont see me trying to join the NAACP so why the fuck do the gays want to
>join the boy scouts other then to destroy it...

Same reason blacks want to join the boy scouts, I guess. The only possible reason is that they want to destroy it. Because that's just the way blacks are. Any other reason is inconceivable - at least to some kinds of people.

[Andy9o8 3]

Your insight has been very informative and helpful. Thank you.

[Southern_Man 0]

I believe I read in some of the coverage on this issue that the Boy Scouts have lost 1/3rd of their membership since 1999. So whatever they think they are doing in the way of appeasement it doesn't seem to be working. I do agree w/ DiverMike that the Mormon Church is a huge sponsor of troops and probably a primary reason the policy was not changed.

Anyway, as somebody who was an Eagle Scout I sure hope they change it soon.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[catfishhunter 2]

And coming from you that's a compliment :)

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>You wont see me trying to join the NAACP so why the fuck do the gays want to
>join the boy scouts other then to destroy it...

Same reason blacks want to join the boy scouts, I guess. The only possible reason is that they want to destroy it. Because that's just the way blacks are. Any other reason is inconceivable - at least to some kinds of people.

Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[popsjumper 2]

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OK, I can see I'm going to have to break out the guide to metaphors for fuckin' retards here. You said the comment was out of left field. You were wrong, it was pertinent to the core of the discussion.

Wrong. Nobody had mentioned that part of the article until you came in from left field. Read the guide. It will explain things to you that you really don't understand.

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Therefore, I characterised it as being out of short leg (or Short Stop) because that is a position that is much more involved with the game.

Once again, out of left field. I guess it ta takes more brainpower than you possess.

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So I apologise for making your widdle brain hurt.

How old are you anyway?
It's obvious that your emotional development arrested at 14.

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Nope. Not even a good guess.

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I don't have to guess. I know why I wrote the comment you replied to....

And applied your misguided mind-reading to something other than what was written?
And now you're trying to backtrack?


You ARE good entertainment.

Wake up!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

In spite of Bill's sarcasm, that's a good question in a way. I don't think that I would have included the "destroy" part and instead would have said, "change".

People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different. They whine because my POV doesn't match theirs? It's like a disease that's spreading to epidemic proportions.

Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching. Well, except for jakee who has no clue anyway.

If you have a valid reason for it, let's hear it!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Andy9o8 3]

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

In spite of Bill's sarcasm, that's a good question in a way. I don't think that I would have included the "destroy" part and instead would have said, "change".

People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different. They whine because my POV doesn't match theirs? It's like a disease that's spreading to epidemic proportions.

Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching. Well, except for jakee who has no clue anyway.

If you have a valid reason for it, let's hear it!

Really?

Please read The Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto and Slogan, and and the Outdoor Code.

Then explain to us which of those are fundamentally negated by having been born a homosexual human being.

[oldwomanc6 60]

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

In spite of Bill's sarcasm, that's a good question in a way. I don't think that I would have included the "destroy" part and instead would have said, "change".

People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different. They whine because my POV doesn't match theirs? It's like a disease that's spreading to epidemic proportions.

Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching. Well, except for jakee who has no clue anyway.

If you have a valid reason for it, let's hear it!

Really?

Please read The Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto and Slogan, and and the Outdoor Code.

Then explain to us which of those are fundamentally negated by having been born a homosexual human being.

Maybe, the Morally Straight portion.

This is an organization that was started with values that they feel the Bible espoused. It's a private entity, so why would those that don't agree with the premise want to join?

lisa
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[Andy9o8 3]

Sorry, but that's not close to a responsive answer. Plus, my post said nothing about lifestyle, just the condition of sexuality one happens to be born with.

[oldwomanc6 60]

Isn't the entire BoyScout Code about action? not predilection.

If so, your question didn't make any sense.

lisa
WSCR 594
FB 1023
CBDB 9

[Andy9o8 3]

All one has to do is very carefully read everything on the page I linked. I have many shortcomings, I feely admit, but lack of speaking clearly usually isn't one of them.

[jakee 1,610]

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

Again, quite outstanding

Gays do not value the motto of the Scouts? The motto of the scouts is "Be prepared". I fail to see how that is incompatible with homosexuality. Maybe you meant the Scout Oath?
"On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight."
Unless you believe homosexuality is amoral there's nothing wrong there. Maybe it's in the Scout Law?

"A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent." Nope, still finding it pretty tricky to find out where being tolerant of homosexuality is antithetical to the core purpose and goals of the organisation.

In fact, this is an expanded version of one of the original scouting laws: "A SCOUT IS A FRIEND TO ALL, AND A BROTHER TO EVERY OTHER SCOUT, NO MATTER TO WHAT SOCIAL CLASS THE OTHER BELONGS. If a scout meets another scout, even though a stranger to him, he must speak to him, and help him in any way that he can, either to carry out the duty he is then doing, or by giving him food, or, as far as possible, anything that he may be in want of. A scout must never be a SNOB. A snob is one who looks down upon another because he is poorer, or who is poor and resents another because he is rich. A scout accepts the other man as he finds him, and makes the best of him -- "Kim," the boy scout, was called by the Indians "Little friend of all the world," and that is the name which every scout should earn for himself." Maybe you can explain why "unless he's a filthy queer" should be added onto the end?

As to the NAACP, the reason why other white/ non-black people would want to join is exactly the same reason all the other white founders, members and leaders joined, because they agree with fighting for equality. Obviously this does not apply to you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,610]

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Wrong. Nobody had mentioned that part of the article until you came in from left field.

Yes, they had. Rick Perry had mentioned it in a speech about Scouts and gays, and this is a thread about Rick Perry, Scouts and gays. It says so in bold font above every single post in the thread. Are you blind as well as obtuse?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,610]

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People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different.

... and want to exclude them from organisations they are involved in. Sucks, doesn't it?

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Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching.

And what would the Scouts leadership say?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,132]

>Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or
>live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it.

Do you think that blacks who fought to be able to attend schools in the 1950's only did so because they wanted to destroy the US educational system? Now that they are allowed into our schools, have they in fact destroyed them?

[billvon 3,132]

>Are you blind as well as obtuse?

Your one warning. Cut it out.

[Andy9o8 3]

Bumpie.

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

In spite of Bill's sarcasm, that's a good question in a way. I don't think that I would have included the "destroy" part and instead would have said, "change".

People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different. They whine because my POV doesn't match theirs? It's like a disease that's spreading to epidemic proportions.

Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching. Well, except for jakee who has no clue anyway.

If you have a valid reason for it, let's hear it!

Really?

Please read The Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto and Slogan, and and the Outdoor Code.

Then explain to us which of those are fundamentally negated by having been born a homosexual human being.

[regulator 0]

Its been a really long time since I read that.

Thank you

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Fighting to be accepted into an organization who's values you neither agree with or live by has no reason unless your agenda is to destroy it. Since gays do not value the motto of the scouts or what they teach just why do they wish to join? Just as why would I want to join a racist orginization such as the NAACP? You guys are the self proclaimed brainiacs why is so hard to see the obvious for you guys.....

In spite of Bill's sarcasm, that's a good question in a way. I don't think that I would have included the "destroy" part and instead would have said, "change".

People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different. They whine because my POV doesn't match theirs? It's like a disease that's spreading to epidemic proportions.

Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching. Well, except for jakee who has no clue anyway.

If you have a valid reason for it, let's hear it!

Really?

Please read The Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto and Slogan, and and the Outdoor Code.

Then explain to us which of those are fundamentally negated by having been born a homosexual human being.

Fundamentaly negated...where did that come from?


*shaking head*
Yes, you are so alone.

Reading comprehension...read the post again.

Oh wait...another one of those Kallend patented, intentionally obtuse misdirections, right?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Wrong. Nobody had mentioned that part of the article until you came in from left field.

Yes, they had. Rick Perry had mentioned it i...

Oh, you missed that Grandma Moses probably mentioned it,too..

Oh...dealing with the lame-brained is tough. I'll be more specific for you:
Nobody in this thread mentioned...

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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People just cannot abide the fact that others think, and ARE, different.

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... and want to exclude them from PRIVATE organisations they are involved in. Sucks, doesn't it?

Yep, busy bodies always suck. It just grinds your shorts that other are unlike you. They have common sense. Your lame answer doesn't apply. Do try to keep up.

You're reaching out saying, "Gimme, gimme, gimme what you have because I want it." Funny part is that you see no problem with that. I'm sure you would when you apply it to other aspects of life.

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Ask yourselves, guys, "Why am I intolerant of others" Do some soul searching.

And what would the Scouts leadership say?