Andy9o8 2
Tell me again how being armed will save you from a mentally unstable person with a gun?
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quade, in Speakers Corner
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Andy9o8 2
Hey, speaking of which, why isn't RonD in here calling me a godless Communist who will get mine on Judgment Day?
kallend 2,142
QuoteHey, speaking of which, why isn't RonD in here calling me a godless Communist who will get mine on Judgment Day?
He's still inconsolable from the election result.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,142
"Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense"; Ron Paul.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Andy9o8 2
Big deal; what would Ron Paul, obviously a liberal Yankee, know about treatment of disorders or military service?
Oh, wait:
Oh, wait:
QuotePaul earned a Doctor of Medicine degree from Duke University's School of Medicine in 1961, and completed his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and his residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh.[12][13] Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then in the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968. Paul and his wife then relocated to Texas, where he began a private practice in obstetrics and gynecology.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul#Early_life.2C_education.2C_and_medical_career
killler 2
QuoteBig deal; what would Ron Paul, obviously a liberal Yankee, know about treatment of disorders or military service?
Oh, wait:QuotePaul earned a Doctor of Medicine degree from Duke University's School of Medicine in 1961, and completed his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and his residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh.[12][13] Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then in the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968. Paul and his wife then relocated to Texas, where he began a private practice in obstetrics and gynecology.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul#Early_life.2C_education.2C_and_medical_career
So he's a doctor that works on babies and vagina's and was a flight surgeon.... How the fuck does that translate in to knowing about PTSD....
normiss 886
It clearly does not.
In any version of reality anyway.
Maybe just the title "Doctor" satisfies those terrified of those scary weapons.
Andy9o8 2
I think you have a narrow view of the breadth and scope of Ron Paul's overall knowledge and experience.
billvon 3,099
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>So he's a doctor that works on babies and vagina's and was a flight surgeon....
>How the fuck does that translate in to knowing about PTSD...
Same way pilots know how to deal with stalls. Even if they fly unstallable airplanes.
>How the fuck does that translate in to knowing about PTSD...
Same way pilots know how to deal with stalls. Even if they fly unstallable airplanes.
normiss 886
That's a bull shit comparison.
So just because a pilot flies a Cessna, he should be good in an F-16 by your logic.
Vaginas don't get PTSD. Trust me, I've tried.
So just because a pilot flies a Cessna, he should be good in an F-16 by your logic.
Vaginas don't get PTSD. Trust me, I've tried.
billvon 3,099
>So just because a pilot flies a Cessna, he should be good in an F-16 by your logic.
Not at all. But he knows how to recover from a stall - because he got very basic training in that. If he flies an A340 that training might be useless. If he flies a B90 it might be important to practice over and over.
Likewise all doctors get training in psych disorders; during their internship they rotate through a psych ward.
In other words a OB/GYN might know very little about PTSD compared to a psychiatrist specializing in it - but he knows orders of magnitudes more about it than your typical Internet poster, because he's had both theoretical and practical training in dealing with mental illness.
Not at all. But he knows how to recover from a stall - because he got very basic training in that. If he flies an A340 that training might be useless. If he flies a B90 it might be important to practice over and over.
Likewise all doctors get training in psych disorders; during their internship they rotate through a psych ward.
In other words a OB/GYN might know very little about PTSD compared to a psychiatrist specializing in it - but he knows orders of magnitudes more about it than your typical Internet poster, because he's had both theoretical and practical training in dealing with mental illness.
normiss 886
That's like saying because I've had a few years of managerial legal training, I could be an attorney.
Poor comparison still.
Poor comparison still.
wmw999 2,577
It's more like saying that if you spent a couple of years working in a legal office as a paralegal (he was a flight surgeon in the AF, and not as an OB) you'd be more qualified than the general public to understand some of the subtleties of the law.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
normiss 886
That may be true, but PTSD is a specific area of skill.
I still don't believe your average OB/Gyn is much practiced in the identification and/or treatment of it.
I still don't believe your average OB/Gyn is much practiced in the identification and/or treatment of it.
quade 4
QuoteThat may be true, but PTSD is a specific area of skill.
I still don't believe your average OB/Gyn is much practiced in the identification and/or treatment of it.
How much better practiced are they than say . . . a sniper?
quade -
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
Looks like Kallend has yet again derailed this train.
normiss 886
Not sure, but I do know any one of can easily be taken by surprise.
I would prefer to see them coming in time to draw my weapon while some of you would prefer to die.
I'd rather have a slimmer of hope.
This isn't black and white, but The Second is.
I would prefer to see them coming in time to draw my weapon while some of you would prefer to die.
I'd rather have a slimmer of hope.
This isn't black and white, but The Second is.
quade 4
QuoteNot sure, but I do know any one of can easily be taken by surprise.
I would prefer to see them coming in time to draw my weapon while some of you would prefer to die.
I see several people have used this train of thought. Let's talk about it for a bit with regards to this case.
Certainly Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield were probably "surprised" by the actions of Eddie Ray Routh, but should they have been?
I know we don't have full details on this, but some have said this was Chris' way of helping his friends cope with PTSD. Okay, I guess if you're a carpenter and the only tool you ever use is a hammer everything looks like a nail, but does it seem reasonable to you to give a person who has PTSD and is depressed a loaded weapon? Regardless of the intent to help, does that seem like a reasonable thing to do?
The suicide rate among returning vets with PTSD is huge. Even if you didn't expect them to kill you, shouldn't you at least be concerned about them killing themselves?
I dunno. I don't agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things, but it does seem to me that he's right when it comes to his analysis here and a gun simply is not the solution to every problem.
quade -
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
QuoteSo it turns out that the PTSD-afflicted shooter, Eddie Lee Routh, a Marine veteran, had been deployed to Iraq. Now there are the blood of two more good men, and the destruction of three families, that are on Bush's hands. Bush, Cheney and the rest of their gang of chickenhawks are fucking war criminal; they should be prosecuted as co-defendants in these murders.
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Why didnt you include condaleeza rice and colin powell too?
Is it because they recently endorsed obama?
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteSo it turns out that the PTSD-afflicted shooter, Eddie Lee Routh, a Marine veteran, had been deployed to Iraq. Now there are the blood of two more good men, and the destruction of three families, that are on Bush's hands. Bush, Cheney and the rest of their gang of chickenhawks are fucking war criminal; they should be prosecuted as co-defendants in these murders.
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Why didnt you include condaleeza rice and colin powell too?
Is it because they recently endorsed obama?
Quoteand the rest of their gang of chickenhawks
killler 2
QuoteQuoteThat may be true, but PTSD is a specific area of skill.
I still don't believe your average OB/Gyn is much practiced in the identification and/or treatment of it.
How much better practiced are they than say . . . a sniper?
Just maybe the sniper has a little bit of a clue about what they went through
Very rare for a PTSD vet open up to a non-vet that wasn't "THERE"
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