Metal Detectors and Armed Officer at School. They Don't Work! (much)

[Andy9o8 3]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/atlanta-police-respond-school-shooting-report-18368058

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A middle school where a 14-year-old boy was shot and wounded in the neck by a fellow student had metal detectors, and school officials were investigating how the shooter made it past them.

An off-duty armed resource officer who was at the school was able to grab the gun away from the suspect, [but not before he shot someone! - my edit]

[BIGUN 1,505]

>[but not before he shot someone! - my edit]

But, prevented him from shooting any more.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[rushmc 23]

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/atlanta-police-respond-school-shooting-report-18368058

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A middle school where a 14-year-old boy was shot and wounded in the neck by a fellow student had metal detectors, and school officials were investigating how the shooter made it past them.

An off-duty armed resource officer who was at the school was able to grab the gun away from the suspect, [but not before he shot someone! - my edit]

Hmm

I guess it would have been better had the officer not been there and maybe more would have gotten shot

Strange claim of it not working

Of course the metal dector is anothe issue

Oh

And this is the second thread on this story

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 3]

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Strange claim of it not working

just my way of saying hi marc

anyhow that's the thing about security. it works, unless it doesn't.

[davjohns 1]

Andy, you're trolling. You know full well that nothing is foolproof. The flip side of this story is that the 14yo wasn't supposed to have a gun, so background checks and registration wouldn't have worked, either. I didn't follow the link. Was there a high cap mag, barrel shroud, pistol grip, etc. involved? Was it an 'assault weapon'?

So, when are we going to start talking about what is really wrong? What causes these kids to think this kind of behavior is an option? Why are they homicidal?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Andy9o8 3]

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Andy, you're trolling.

Moi??

I'm shocked, shocked.

[beowulf 1]

Guess we need get rid of armed officers and metal detectors and just enact more laws, because we know those work better!

[BIGUN 1,505]

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Many researchers have looked into the causes of homicide. Recent explanations have focused on economic deprivation, unemployment, social disorganization (for example, lack of family ties), weapons, race, culture, and gender inequality. These contributing factors are further broken down into homicides in which the victim and killer know each other, and homicides in which the victim and killer are strangers.

In a United States study published in 1994, scholars gathered data from Supplemental Homicide Reports listing demographic characteristics of victims and killers for over 20,000 annual homicides. Local enforcement agencies used a uniform system for reporting homicides to the FBI, giving what many see as exceptionally accurate criminal justice data. Scholars looked at trends over the years and found consistent patterns. In cases of homicide by strangers, about95% of the killers were male, about 51% were minorities, and most fell into the 28-36 age group. A comparison of homicide statistics around the world showed that it is primarily a crime committed by young men.

From the 1960s to the 1990s, the homicide rate increased steadily in the United States. By 1999, the rate had fallen to 6.3 per 100,000, which was the level in 1967. Federal officials attributed this drop to the 1994 Brady Bill that restricted gun purchases, to a federal program to trace guns used in crimes, and to many new state gun control laws. A 1993 case-controlled study in the United States showed that people living in a house with guns were 2.7 times more likely to be killed as people living in a house without guns. An international study showed a higher rate of homicide in urban areas with a high population density.

Some urban areas, such as New York City, have been successful in reducing the homicide rate by focusing on young drug dealers who routinely carry guns. Brooklyn, a New York City borough with one of the highest homicide rates, has seen an increase in gang activity and domestic disputes. However, New York City's overall trend for the 1990s was still a sharply decreased murder rate, from 2,245 murders in 1990 to an estimated 600 murders in 1999.

An analysis of juvenile homicide rates showed that children in 1998 were no more violent than children 20 years ago. While juvenile homicides often receive a lot of publicity, they are still rare in comparison with adult killings.Statistics gathered in 1996 showed that only 3% of homicides in the United States involved a juvenile under 18 killing another juvenile.

Additional analysis showed juvenile killing continues to be a phenomenon of large cities, with about one-third of all juvenile homicide arrests concentrated in four urban areas: Chicago, New York, Los Angeles and Detroit. The four cities contain only about 5% of the youth population of America.

While school killings receive extensive media attention, a 1994 analysis by the Centers for Disease Control showed that 99.4% of homicides and suicides of school-aged children occurred away from school.

Even though the juvenile homicide rate stabilized during the 1990s and it is only a small percentage of adult homicide, policy analysts have noted disturbing trends. Between 1984 and 1994, there was a fourfold increase in juveniles arrested for gun homicide. American children die from guns 12 times as often as children of the other 25 industrialized nations combined. In a survey conducted by the United States Justice Department, two-thirds of American high school students said it would be easy to get a gun. Media surveys taken after the 1999 shootings that left 15 people dead at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, showed that many teenagers felt there was the potential for such violence to occur at most American high schools.

In trying to make sense of juvenile homicide trends, policy analysis have looked at the rate of child poverty in the United States. A 1995 study by the National Science Foundation showed that the United States had the highest child poverty rate of 17 industrialized nations, with the United States rate being three times as high as those in other nations. In 1995, that translated to 14.8 million youth living in poverty, or about 1 in 4. The 1995 rate was almost double the child poverty rate measured in 1970.

It was also in 1995 that, for the first time, it became illegal for United States juveniles to own handguns or the ammunition for handguns. Many state and local jurisdictions have passed additional laws to restrict juveniles from gun ownership. Police in Washington, D.C., noted at 63% drop in juvenile homicide arrests when neighboring states restricted gun sales. When Massachusetts enacted a "one-gun-a-month" law, Boston went for two and a half years without a child being killed.

Some cities have entered an experimental partnership with the federal government, called Project Exile, that gives states the authority to prosecute for illegal guns under federal statutes, where penalties are much more severe. In Richmond, Virginia, an early partner of Project Exile, the homicide rate has fallen by 36% in two years. Richmond also attributes its success to the waning of the crack cocaine epidemic, and to a no-parole policy that keeps felons locked up longer.

While other cities such as Philadelphia and Oakland, California, have joined Project Exile, the Justice Department is not interested in extending the project nationwide. The National Rifle Association (NRA), which is concerned about lawsuits against the gun industry, has welcomed Project Exile as a means to show that gun owners behave responsibly. The Justice Department has been reluctant to appear to align itself with the NRA. Some defense lawyers have also criticized Project Exile for removing local cases, many of which involve minority defendants, from the jurisdiction of the city court system.

SOURCE: http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/19/Homicide.html

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[davjohns 1]

:p

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Andy9o8 3]

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Guess we need get rid of armed officers and metal detectors and just enact more laws, because we know those work better!

Armed guards and metal detectors haven't paid my kids' tuitions. Laws have. So bite me.

[beowulf 1]

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Guess we need get rid of armed officers and metal detectors and just enact more laws, because we know those work better!

Armed guards and metal detectors haven't paid my kids' tuitions. Laws have. So bite me.

So we should have more laws so we can have more lawyers? I see your motivation now.

[Andy9o8 3]

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Guess we need get rid of armed officers and metal detectors and just enact more laws, because we know those work better!

Armed guards and metal detectors haven't paid my kids' tuitions. Laws have. So bite me.

So we should have more laws so we can have more lawyers? I see your motivation now.

We should have more lawyers so we can have more laws.

The Borg are already here. Resistance is futile.

[beowulf 1]

You are making lawyers every where proud of their profession. Keep up the good work.

[Andy9o8 3]

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You are making lawyers every where proud of their profession. Keep up the good work.

My mom's proud of me. That's good enough for me.

[beowulf 1]

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You are making lawyers every where proud of their profession. Keep up the good work.

My mom's proud of me. That's good enough for me.

Does she tell you, you're smart too?

[davjohns 1]

My mom tells everyone I'm a drug addicted pimp.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Andy9o8 3]

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You are making lawyers every where proud of their profession. Keep up the good work.

My mom's proud of me. That's good enough for me.

Does she tell you, you're smart too?

You got something to say about my mom?

[beowulf 1]

No, it's all directed at you. Because you're smart.

[Andy9o8 3]

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My mom tells everyone I'm a drug addicted pimp.

Moms know everything.

[rhaig 0]

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You are making lawyers every where proud of their profession. Keep up the good work.

My mom's proud of me. That's good enough for me.

Does she tell you, you're smart too?

no, but his wife says "no honey, the size is fine"

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Rob

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Andy, you're trolling. You know full well that nothing is foolproof.

Interesting you would say that, since normally the argument against banning guns is that people would still be able to get guns illegally.