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BIGUN 1,505
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davjohns 1
Ummmm...yeah. That is definitely a weapons system. How is that related to private ownership of firearms?
Let me clarify my remarks. From what he said, I probably am in agreement with CDR Gifford. I just dispute his authority on the matter. I am qualified as an expert on every small arms system I have touched. I have shot competitively since I was 14. Prior to deploying to Iraq, I qualified on machineguns, grenade launcher, soviet manufactured weapons...anything we were likely to find on the battlefield. I am NOT an expert on the social ills of our country.
My comment about victims' family testifying was not actually about him. I have news outlets running on screens in the office. Parents of children killed in school shootings are testifying. They weren't even present at the event. How are they qualified experts on complex social issues?
Let me clarify my remarks. From what he said, I probably am in agreement with CDR Gifford. I just dispute his authority on the matter. I am qualified as an expert on every small arms system I have touched. I have shot competitively since I was 14. Prior to deploying to Iraq, I qualified on machineguns, grenade launcher, soviet manufactured weapons...anything we were likely to find on the battlefield. I am NOT an expert on the social ills of our country.
My comment about victims' family testifying was not actually about him. I have news outlets running on screens in the office. Parents of children killed in school shootings are testifying. They weren't even present at the event. How are they qualified experts on complex social issues?
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuote>So you are advocating removing guns from the homes of women?
Guns are like cypreses. Great to have as a backup. Once you start relying on them, and bragging about how they will save your life - they are much more likely to contribute to your death than save your life.
Poor analogy
Per your example
guns are more like reserves
Hope you have one when you need one
Except reserves save more people than they kill. Unlike guns. Ask Nancy Lanza - oh, wait, you can't.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
BIGUN 1,505
QuoteUmmmm...yeah. That is definitely a weapons system. How is that related to private ownership of firearms?
Let me clarify my remarks. From what he said, I probably am in agreement with CDR Gifford. I just dispute his authority on the matter. I am qualified as an expert on every small arms system I have touched. I have shot competitively since I was 14. Prior to deploying to Iraq, I qualified on machineguns, grenade launcher, soviet manufactured weapons...anything we were likely to find on the battlefield. I am NOT an expert on the social ills of our country.
My comment about victims' family testifying was not actually about him. I have news outlets running on screens in the office. Parents of children killed in school shootings are testifying. They weren't even present at the event. How are they qualified experts on complex social issues?
OK.
So I guess I'm lost.
Is your point, 1) weapons qualifications, 2) Sociology, or 3) him expressing his opinion - of which he has that right?
I again point out the core of my comment was his tempered response within a divisive forum.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuote>So you are advocating removing guns from the homes of women?
Guns are like cypreses. Great to have as a backup. Once you start relying on them, and bragging about how they will save your life - they are much more likely to contribute to your death than save your life.
Poor analogy
Per your example
guns are more like reserves
Hope you have one when you need one
Except reserves save more people than they kill. Unlike guns. Ask Nancy Lanza - oh, wait, you can't.
She had a choice as to what weapons she wanted
You want to take the choices away from her
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuoteQuote>So you are advocating removing guns from the homes of women?
Guns are like cypreses. Great to have as a backup. Once you start relying on them, and bragging about how they will save your life - they are much more likely to contribute to your death than save your life.
Poor analogy
Per your example
guns are more like reserves
Hope you have one when you need one
Except reserves save more people than they kill. Unlike guns. Ask Nancy Lanza - oh, wait, you can't.
It's fairly easy to come up with a kill save ratio with reserves. Curious as to how you've arrived at the conclusion that guns kill more people than they save. I'm not aware of any data that would allow someone to come to a solid conslusion that guns kill more people than they save...or the inverse.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>So you are advocating removing guns from the homes of women?
Guns are like cypreses. Great to have as a backup. Once you start relying on them, and bragging about how they will save your life - they are much more likely to contribute to your death than save your life.
Poor analogy
Per your example
guns are more like reserves
Hope you have one when you need one
Except reserves save more people than they kill. Unlike guns. Ask Nancy Lanza - oh, wait, you can't.
She had a choice as to what weapons she wanted
You want to take the choices away from her
I doubt she chose to be shot in the head by her crazy son.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>So you are advocating removing guns from the homes of women?
Guns are like cypreses. Great to have as a backup. Once you start relying on them, and bragging about how they will save your life - they are much more likely to contribute to your death than save your life.
Poor analogy
Per your example
guns are more like reserves
Hope you have one when you need one
Except reserves save more people than they kill. Unlike guns. Ask Nancy Lanza - oh, wait, you can't.
She had a choice as to what weapons she wanted
You want to take the choices away from her
I doubt she chose to be shot in the head by her crazy son.
So you dont think women should be able to choose
You just like to demogog the story with a line like this?
Keep it up
keeps you lokin smart
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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Keep it up
keeps you lokin smart
Extra points for the sarcasm.
For the life of me, I cannot fathom the push-back around women owning firearms. What's so different from men?
Is this part of the war on women?
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
rushmc 23
Is this part of the war on women?
Gotta wonder
I heard a very good argument made by a women as to why she liked using an AR type rifer for home defense.
Her point was very simple
Muzzel control
AR type rifles in 5.56 have very little recoil
Especially when compared to a shotgun
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rhaig 0
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Is this part of the war on women?
Gotta wonder
I heard a very good argument made by a women as to why she liked using an AR type rifer for home defense.
Her point was very simple
Muzzel control
AR type rifles in 5.56 have very little recoil
Especially when compared to a shotgun
and their modular design makes it easier to configure them to better fit a smaller body frame.
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Rob
Rob
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
Is this part of the war on women?
Gotta wonder
I heard a very good argument made by a women as to why she liked using an AR type rifer for home defense.
Her point was very simple
Muzzel control
AR type rifles in 5.56 have very little recoil
Especially when compared to a shotgun
and their modular design makes it easier to configure them to better fit a smaller body frame.
Exactly
But this too is what makes the gun-o-phobes afraid of them
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
I'd venture to say he has more experience with weapons than anyone in the room that day... both in delivery and receipt.
"In December 1987, Kelly became a Naval Aviator and received initial training on the A-6E Intruder attack aircraft. He was then assigned to Attack Squadron 115 (VA-115) in Atsugi, Japan, and made two deployments to the Persian Gulf on the aircraft carrier USS Midway, flying 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly
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