Bignugget 0 #26 January 30, 2013 Quote BTW At this point I do not believe you Lol, I am sure of that. I don't think you believe much of anything people say. But for kicks, I have a double bachelors. BS Economics and a BSBA finance, minors in accounting and math. Ive worked in several financial jobs currently i work as an analyst for a major mortgage firm. (thats all a lie btw, i copied it from obamas birth certificate) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 January 30, 2013 Quote Quote BTW At this point I do not believe you Lol, I am sure of that. I don't think you believe much of anything people say. But for kicks, I have a double bachelors. BS Economics and a BSBA finance, minors in accounting and math. Ive worked in several financial jobs currently i work as an analyst for a major mortgage firm. (thats all a lie btw, i copied it from obamas birth certificate) Ok, then by your own standards as demonstrated in the last few posts, you are not qualified to have an opinion or make any comments about gun control Glad we got that figured out"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #28 January 30, 2013 Lol, really its more like By the normal standards I am not an economist.i don't actively study the economy...but I am more qualified than you in that sense. (I know what makes up GDP growth for instance, it doesn't seem like you have a firm grasp on that) But what I have opined here is not even MY opinion. Government spending is part of GDP growth...that isnt opinion...its math... How much of the spending pie should be made up of govt spending is opinion....and people way smarter than me seem to concur that when private sector spending dives off, the govt should step in as a stopgap. I was really just repeating their opinion. I don't think I am qualified to speak about how guns work. I certainly have never spoken to that. I don't know what any of the 5.65x735 means and you won't see me offering opinions about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 January 30, 2013 QuoteLol, really its more like By the normal standards I am not an economist.i don't actively study the economy...but I am more qualified than you in that sense. (I know what makes up GDP growth for instance, it doesn't seem like you have a firm grasp on that) But what I have opined here is not even MY opinion. Government spending is part of GDP growth...that isnt opinion...its math... How much of the spending pie should be made up of govt spending is opinion....and people way smarter than me seem to concur that when private sector spending dives off, the govt should step in as a stopgap. I was really just repeating their opinion. I don't think I am qualified to speak about how guns work. I certainly have never spoken to that. I don't know what any of the 5.65x735 means and you won't see me offering opinions about it. And my point was never that gov spending was or was not part of GDP It was however saying that if it takes gov spending to make a positive GDP we are in a mess But I get it As it is with many big gov liberals no one is to dare have an opinion contrary to theirs In the end You can have your opinion You have a right to it based on your situation and back ground But I too can have one In the end I disagree with you You cant read my mind and know who or what I believe Only kallend claims that power But just because I dont agree with you means I am ignorant of the topic But I know most liberals cant believe anyone dare disagree their mental prowess in regard to any subject"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #30 January 30, 2013 > It was however saying that if it takes gov spending to make a positive GDP we are in a mess No matter how small government spending is, there will always be times when government spending gives us a positive GDP. Not because it's the government but because it's spending. Which means that even under the most extremist right wing tiny-government scenarios, government spending can result in a positive GDP (that would be negative without it.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 January 30, 2013 Quote> It was however saying that if it takes gov spending to make a positive GDP we are in a mess No matter how small government spending is, there will always be times when government spending gives us a positive GDP. Not because it's the government but because it's spending. Which means that even under the most extremist right wing tiny-government scenarios, government spending can result in a positive GDP (that would be negative without it.) If In the size of the US economy, we need government spending to make the GDP positive, we are in a big mess"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 January 30, 2013 QuoteQuote You cant read my mind and know who or what I believe Only kallend claims that power I quit reading porn when I got out of my teens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #33 January 30, 2013 QuoteToo many pigs...not enough tits. Wow! You're not just a liberal, you're a hippie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #34 January 30, 2013 >In the size of the US economy, we need government spending to make the >GDP positive, we are in a big mess Yes, I saw you say that. Which means we will periodically be in a big mess no matter what you do to government. Even in Ayn Rand-ville. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #35 January 30, 2013 Quote> government spending can result in a positive GDP (that would be negative without it.) sure, but recognize that if gov spending pushes us over the top, then that same dollar spent more efficiently from the private sector would have netted us more positive the money has to come from someone at least until the US government is able to successfully tax citizens in other countries and spend it here......maybe they can pass a law allowing us to tax foreign countries for the express purpose of keeping our trade balance positive.....I'm sure they will go along with that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #36 January 30, 2013 >sure, but recognize that if gov spending pushes us over the top, then that same >dollar spent more efficiently from the private sector would have netted us more >positive In most cases, yes. Which is why government spending should be limited to things that the private sector cannot do or cannot do easily (military, early space program, early nuclear research etc.) The problem arises because both sides clamor for the government to DO SOMETHING! about a poor economy. Even republicans made it clear that if the economy did not recover they would crucify democrats with that fact. And both sides know that there is a quick fix that gets the economy to recover faster - spend more. Which can work PROVIDED that during good times you stop the spending and increase taxes to make up for the money you spent. Again, neither side wants to do that. >the money has to come from someone Yep, and eventually it comes from us, as all spending (private and public) does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #37 January 31, 2013 The hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #38 January 31, 2013 QuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. You mean taking our money an spending it for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #39 January 31, 2013 QuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. I know what you posted And no, we dont need that Those dollars are much more productive in private hands than in that of the gov which does not produce anything If you care to look back, one would see that in better times we saw nearly 4% growth out of the private sector with nearly nothing coming from government That is where we need to get. We can get there by getting off the back of business But if Obama keeps writing regulations and taxing more, along with the unknowns this admin produces, we will only see positive growth by huge gov spending That is not sustainable"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bignugget 0 #40 January 31, 2013 But.....this is nothing new.... Just a little education for you: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_history Its been sustainable for 100 years or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #41 January 31, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. I know what you posted And no, we dont need that Those dollars are much more productive in private hands than in that of the gov which does not produce anything If you care to look back, one would see that in better times we saw nearly 4% growth out of the private sector with nearly nothing coming from government That is where we need to get. We can get there by getting off the back of business But if Obama keeps writing regulations and taxing more, along with the unknowns this admin produces, we will only see positive growth by huge gov spending That is not sustainable So you support a big decrease in defense spending. COOL!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #42 January 31, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. You mean taking our money an spending it for us. So you support a big decrease in defense spending. COOL!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #43 January 31, 2013 With the termination of a large troop deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's pretty much a no brainer. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #44 January 31, 2013 Quote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #45 January 31, 2013 QuoteBut.....this is nothing new.... Just a little education for you: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_history Its been sustainable for 100 years or so. It is new in the fact that the gov spending it near all time highs looked at as % of GPD"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,466 #46 January 31, 2013 Hi rush, Quotethe gov which does not produce anything Broaden your horizons. The federal gov't here in the PacificNW owns & operates a very large hydro-electric system. They own & produce the system that provides almost all of the electricity that lights my house. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #47 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #48 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. You gave him an out He will take it every time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #49 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. You gave him an out He will take it every time I prefer to call it "weaseling." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #50 February 1, 2013 QuoteBTW At this point I do not believe you You will never believe anybody who doesn't agree with you. 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Andy9o8 2 #33 January 30, 2013 QuoteToo many pigs...not enough tits. Wow! You're not just a liberal, you're a hippie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #34 January 30, 2013 >In the size of the US economy, we need government spending to make the >GDP positive, we are in a big mess Yes, I saw you say that. Which means we will periodically be in a big mess no matter what you do to government. Even in Ayn Rand-ville. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 January 30, 2013 Quote> government spending can result in a positive GDP (that would be negative without it.) sure, but recognize that if gov spending pushes us over the top, then that same dollar spent more efficiently from the private sector would have netted us more positive the money has to come from someone at least until the US government is able to successfully tax citizens in other countries and spend it here......maybe they can pass a law allowing us to tax foreign countries for the express purpose of keeping our trade balance positive.....I'm sure they will go along with that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #36 January 30, 2013 >sure, but recognize that if gov spending pushes us over the top, then that same >dollar spent more efficiently from the private sector would have netted us more >positive In most cases, yes. Which is why government spending should be limited to things that the private sector cannot do or cannot do easily (military, early space program, early nuclear research etc.) The problem arises because both sides clamor for the government to DO SOMETHING! about a poor economy. Even republicans made it clear that if the economy did not recover they would crucify democrats with that fact. And both sides know that there is a quick fix that gets the economy to recover faster - spend more. Which can work PROVIDED that during good times you stop the spending and increase taxes to make up for the money you spent. Again, neither side wants to do that. >the money has to come from someone Yep, and eventually it comes from us, as all spending (private and public) does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #37 January 31, 2013 The hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #38 January 31, 2013 QuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. You mean taking our money an spending it for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 January 31, 2013 QuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. I know what you posted And no, we dont need that Those dollars are much more productive in private hands than in that of the gov which does not produce anything If you care to look back, one would see that in better times we saw nearly 4% growth out of the private sector with nearly nothing coming from government That is where we need to get. We can get there by getting off the back of business But if Obama keeps writing regulations and taxing more, along with the unknowns this admin produces, we will only see positive growth by huge gov spending That is not sustainable"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #40 January 31, 2013 But.....this is nothing new.... Just a little education for you: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_history Its been sustainable for 100 years or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #41 January 31, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. I know what you posted And no, we dont need that Those dollars are much more productive in private hands than in that of the gov which does not produce anything If you care to look back, one would see that in better times we saw nearly 4% growth out of the private sector with nearly nothing coming from government That is where we need to get. We can get there by getting off the back of business But if Obama keeps writing regulations and taxing more, along with the unknowns this admin produces, we will only see positive growth by huge gov spending That is not sustainable So you support a big decrease in defense spending. COOL!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #42 January 31, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe hardest hit to the economy in the 4th quarter came from a large drop in defense spending, which declined at an annual rate of 22.2 per cent, the biggest fall since 1972. That was enough to reduce the G.D.P. growth rate by about 1.3 per cent. I guess we need that government spending. You mean taking our money an spending it for us. So you support a big decrease in defense spending. COOL!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 January 31, 2013 With the termination of a large troop deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's pretty much a no brainer. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #44 January 31, 2013 Quote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 January 31, 2013 QuoteBut.....this is nothing new.... Just a little education for you: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_history Its been sustainable for 100 years or so. It is new in the fact that the gov spending it near all time highs looked at as % of GPD"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,466 #46 January 31, 2013 Hi rush, Quotethe gov which does not produce anything Broaden your horizons. The federal gov't here in the PacificNW owns & operates a very large hydro-electric system. They own & produce the system that provides almost all of the electricity that lights my house. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. You gave him an out He will take it every time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #49 February 1, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote. Do you support using the money to pay down the debt or pissing more of it away in social programs and welfare payments to large corporations? Yes. Cute. You gave him an out He will take it every time I prefer to call it "weaseling." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #50 February 1, 2013 QuoteBTW At this point I do not believe you You will never believe anybody who doesn't agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
