Women in Front Line Combat

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Hi Paul,

This is not in response to your post ( although I do like it ), but does anyone know the minimum weight of a male to enlist?

Just wondering as Grav has concerns.

JerryBaumchen

Ask and you shall receive. From the "Join the Military" website:

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-weight-rules.html

And it's interesting that GM's hypothetical "265 lb male soldier" couldn't enlist. The max height listed is 80" (6'8") and max weight is 250#. That doesn't mean a soldier couldn't weigh 265 and still stay in, but he couldn't join at that weight.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[DanG 1]

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As it stands right now, that 95 lb. woman is a combat medic, and I bet you'll rely on her.

I did. She did just fine.

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I think it is a bad idea.

How are the men supposed to feel when the woman in their unit is a better soldier?

[Andy9o8 2]

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I think it is a bad idea.

How are the men supposed to feel when the woman in their unit is a better soldier?

They should be glad they have the speed and agility to run into the kitchen to make them a sammich.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I think it is a bad idea.

How are the men supposed to feel when the woman in their unit is a better soldier?

They should be glad they have the speed and agility to run into the kitchen to make them a sammich.

But is she going to be strong enough to bring the sammich to my foxhole?

Next thing you know they are going to give rifles to gay black women. The founding father's are all going to turn in their graves.

[TriGirl 333]

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I just think most guys would take more responsibility and greater risk to protect a girl then a guy. Also,women in combat and captured have a greater chance of being not only tortured but raped as a form of torture. I don't think guys have that added threat.

yes, they do. And it's more psychologically damaging when it happens to them. At least the women are used to having that threat, not just from the enemy.

(sorry if this was answered earlier. I just got here and haven't read through all of the posts)

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[TriGirl 333]

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If you were severely wounded, lying in a foxhole, would you rather rely on a 95lb woman or a 200 male to drag you to safety?

If you're in a foxhole, you're in a defensive position with others all around you and probably in the spot you wouldn't want to be dragged from until it's secure.

Second - picture more like a 135 pound woman. Or a 150 pound woman. It's more of what we see.

Third - they've done a fantastic job so far in combat so far.

All you have done is twist my question to one that better suits your thinking.

So lets try it another way. Suppose you are on patrol with a 135lb woman and you weigh 265lbs. You get wounded by a sniper but are still alive as long as you can get medical treatment within 15 minutes. Would you rather have a 135lb woman to drag you to safety of a 220lb male?

Why not just answer the question instead of twisting it? (I know you lawyers like to do that but this isn't a Court)

That 135-lb woman would be me. And yes, I can carry a 265-lb injured man.

Next question?

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[Andy9o8 2]

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Next question?

What's your favorite sammich?

[TriGirl 333]

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Next question?

What's your favorite sammich?

Well, since you're RUNNING to get it for me, I'll have chicken salad. Thanks!
Oh, and don't forget the chips and beer.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[davjohns 1]

Why run, Andy? You'll only die tired. She was a cross country runner in college; current active duty Marine.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Andy9o8 2]

sorry kid the mayo won't keep in the field.

[TriGirl 333]

We do have modern appliances here in Turkey!

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[Andy9o8 2]

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here in Turkey

Hey, be careful. Seriously. Rough day today.

[TriGirl 333]

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here in Turkey

Hey, be careful. Seriously. Rough day today.

It could have been worse. I'm not going to post any more info at this time, as we're letting our Public Affairs section manage the information flow.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[Gravitymaster 0]

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If you were severely wounded, lying in a foxhole, would you rather rely on a 95lb woman or a 200 male to drag you to safety?

If you're in a foxhole, you're in a defensive position with others all around you and probably in the spot you wouldn't want to be dragged from until it's secure.

Second - picture more like a 135 pound woman. Or a 150 pound woman. It's more of what we see.

Third - they've done a fantastic job so far in combat so far.

All you have done is twist my question to one that better suits your thinking.

So lets try it another way. Suppose you are on patrol with a 135lb woman and you weigh 265lbs. You get wounded by a sniper but are still alive as long as you can get medical treatment within 15 minutes. Would you rather have a 135lb woman to drag you to safety of a 220lb male?

Why not just answer the question instead of twisting it? (I know you lawyers like to do that but this isn't a Court)

That 135-lb woman would be me. And yes, I can carry a 265-lb injured man.

Next question?

Then you missed the 3 posts I made saying if a woman can pass the physical and mental requirements the I have no problem as pond as the standards aren't lowered. Or perhaps reading comprehension isn't you strong suit.

[TriGirl 333]

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That 135-lb woman would be me. And yes, I can carry a 265-lb injured man.

Next question?

Then you missed the 3 posts I made saying if a woman can pass the physical and mental requirements the I have no problem as pond as the standards aren't lowered. Or perhaps reading comprehension isn't you strong suit.

[davjohns 1]

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If you were severely wounded, lying in a foxhole, would you rather rely on a 95lb woman or a 200 male to drag you to safety?

It's very loaded question. Obviously, anyone would want a larger, stronger person to do heavy lifting / dragging. However, it is also unrealistic. We don't use foxholes anymore. You could get the 95lb guy while the 200lb woman is down the road. Weight and strength / physical fitness don't necessarily have any relationship. And; why the hell are you dragging me anywhere? I'm injured. Call the damn medic to me!

We don't generally drag people more than a few feet to cover and then treat their injuries on the spot. If you are very badly wounded, you have to wait for the firefight to be over and help to come to you. We now teach four lifesaving skills due to an analysis for battlefield injuries that are survivable; tourniquette / pressure dressing / chitosan bandage, nasal pharyngeal airway, reduce tension pneumothorax; start an IV. They are all gender neutral.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[promise5 17]

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I just think most guys would take more responsibility and greater risk to protect a girl then a guy. Also,women in combat and captured have a greater chance of being not only tortured but raped as a form of torture. I don't think guys have that added threat.

yes, they do. And it's more psychologically damaging when it happens to them. At least the women are used to having that threat, not just from the enemy.

(sorry if this was answered earlier. I just got here and haven't read through all of the posts)

I disagree on the more psychologically damaging to them then it is to a woman. But, its ok we disagree

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

[Skyrad 0]

I see both of your arguments it varies on a case by case basis I'd think.

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[promise5 17]

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I see both of your arguments it varies on a case by case basis I'd think.

Yes, very much so.

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

[billvon 3,076]

> Or perhaps reading comprehension isn't you strong suit.

You just keep digging that (fox)hole deeper and deeper.

[ianmdrennan 2]

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> Or perhaps reading comprehension isn't you strong suit.

You just keep digging that (fox)hole deeper and deeper.

100% failure rate so far

Performance Designs Factory Team

[jakee 1,564]

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All you have done is twist my question to one that better suits your thinking.

But your question was a distortion of reality anyway, so what's the problem?

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So lets try it another way. Suppose you are on patrol with a 135lb woman and you weigh 265lbs. You get wounded by a sniper but are still alive as long as you can get medical treatment within 15 minutes. Would you rather have a 135lb woman to drag you to safety of a 220lb male?

Are you arguing against women in combat, or just anyone who weighs less than 200lbs?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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All you have done is twist my question to one that better suits your thinking.

But your question was a distortion of reality anyway, so what's the problem?

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So lets try it another way. Suppose you are on patrol with a 135lb woman and you weigh 265lbs. You get wounded by a sniper but are still alive as long as you can get medical treatment within 15 minutes. Would you rather have a 135lb woman to drag you to safety of a 220lb male?

Are you arguing against women in combat, or just anyone who weighs less than 200lbs?

I just enjoy watching you get confused.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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That 135-lb woman would be me. And yes, I can carry a 265-lb injured man.

Next question?

Then you missed the 3 posts I made saying if a woman can pass the physical and mental requirements the I have no problem as pond as the standards aren't lowered. Or perhaps reading comprehension isn't you strong suit.

No, I didn't miss those. You asked a question, the premise of which I was simply illustrating was flawed -- especially in light of your insistence that standards not be lowered. I comprehended that loaded question just fine.