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Gay marriage: why do you care???

By Nataly, in Speakers Corner

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Nataly    38

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There is a lot of debate at the moment in France over allowing same-sex marriage.

Assuming you ignore the religious argument and the "it's unnatural" argument ("homosexual" behaviour is not exclusive to humans)... Just what exactly is the impact of allowing gay people to get married??? I would argue that if you are not gay (and therefore already enjoy all the rights/privileges that marriage affords), there is NO IMPACT on your life at all. Things married people take for granted include: inheritance, and medical decisions, and tax benefits, et cetera, et cetera.

So why would you care at all that gay people want the same rights as you??? More importantly, why would you deny them the same rights as you???
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Nataly    38

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??? Why is this suddenly in SC??? It's not about religion, guns or politics. :|

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FlyingRhenquest    1

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Personally I don't give two shits who you want to marry. I think a lot of us are sick if the government sticking their noses into personal business. If I want to have a beer, smoke a cigarette, own an object that might look like a gun for the purposes of this conversation but not to get it ejected into the SC again, explore sexual positions listed (or not) in the Kama Sutra, have some marijuana, or get married to someone of a different race, the government really has no business telling me I can't. I can't want the government out of my business while wanting them to be in the business of what two consenting dudes decide to do without being a hypocrite.

It wasn't that long ago that I would not have been able to marry a woman of another race in about half the states in the union. Specifically to that point; the marriage between President Obama's parents would have been illegal anywhere in the south at the time he was born. We like to think of ourselves as above such petty bigotry, but we quickly demonstrate that we're not. If not for nine slightly-more-enlightened-than-the-rest-of-us souls sitting on the Supreme Court in the 60s, we'd probably not pulled ourselves over our previous bigotry, despite the fact that it seems ridiculous now. Hopefully the nine souls sitting there now are similarly enlightened.
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Nataly    38

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??? Why is this suddenly in SC??? It's not about religion, guns or politics. :|


The very subject of gay marriage is religious and political.

Probably, not so much guns. Not so many shotgun weddings in the gay community. :P


No it's not. The question wasn't about religious beliefs or political convictions, but why you would care if it does not impact you at all (whereas it *clearly* has a negative impact on the people concerned).


ETA - you know what, fuck it. Now it's here I'm not gonna bother looking for a decent answer. For the record, this was dragged into the SC when it had NOTHING to do with PGR. Quite frankly, I'm annoyed and just a little bit disgusted.
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wmw999    2,589

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No, it was guaran-damn-teed to end up in SC. It's a political issue which causes heated discussion -- otherwise it probably wouldn't be causing demonstrations in France, or all the other hoopla that it causes.

That said, I would be entirely in favor of legal marriage as including partners of any gender matched with partners of any gender, and religious marriage as being defined by whatever religious entity conducted the marriage.

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maadmax    0

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So why would you care at all that gay people want the same rights as you??? More importantly, why would you deny them the same rights as you???



If all that is required to make something right and acceptable is the consent of the "adults" involved, where do you draw the line? There is all kinds of weird and perverse situations that adults will consent to.

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Squeak    17

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??? Why is this suddenly in SC??? It's not about religion, guns or politics. :|

because religious political gun nutters don't like the idea of it, and they are the one who will pot up the most inane religious and political responses to it.

Cue the fuck tard squad
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wmw999    2,589

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If all that is required to make something right and acceptable is the consent of the "adults" involved, where do you draw the line?

Why do we need to draw a line?

If adults want to enter into a contractual relationship that causes them to be a family, why should we be against it? If nothing else, it causes them to pay fewer taxes -- I thought that was always good.

Wendy P.
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wmw999    2,589

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Ah, but dogs, even poodles, can't consent. Even (ahem) rocket scientists know that :P

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champu    1

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If all that is required to make something right and acceptable is the consent of the "adults" involved, where do you draw the line? There is all kinds of weird and perverse situations that adults will consent to.



Why did you put "adults" in quotes?

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Shotgun    1

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??? Why is this suddenly in SC??? It's not about religion, guns or politics. :|



Aside from the fact that discussions about gay marriage often bring up politics and religion... The description for Speakers Corner says, "The place for sociological and political discussions." And marriage definitely falls under the "sociological" category.

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AggieDave    6

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Gay marriage? I don't care. Seriously, I have no problems with it, get married, be in love.

Now, what about the Pandora's box of marriage? What about plural marriage? If gay marriage is ok, what about plural marriages? Why does it matter? As it stands plural marriage is currently a situation in which women are held in near slavery in some fundamentalist sects, and the government is hit up for support for the sister wives and all their children.
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oldwomanc6    60

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You know, they just legalized gay marriage in our state. The other day I was wondering how all the gay guys are liking the "let's get married" pressure that straight guys have been dealing with forever. :D:D



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