turtlespeed 226 #1 January 24, 2013 . . . As part of an aide package? http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-fighter-jets-egypt-856/ Why won't Obama stop this? Is he trying to arm them better. Granted the gift was approved in 2010, but Morsi is a madman. Obama should step up and cancell this "Gift" Maybe we should just give some to ahmadinejad.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #2 January 24, 2013 Given the flak the international community, the US included, gave Russia over delivering helicopters to Assad's Regime in Syria... ...yeah this is probably not a great idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 January 24, 2013 QuoteGiven the flak the international community, the US included, gave Russia over delivering helicopters to Assad's Regime in Syria... ...yeah this is probably not a great idea. I guess we are seeing the first steps in the Obama doesn't have to worry about reelection anymore time of his regime.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #4 January 24, 2013 Because our president is anti-American, and most likely a Muslim. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #5 January 24, 2013 Because the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #6 January 24, 2013 QuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? and then when they pummel their enemy, somehow, we end up with all that we've given them (over the years it's been training, guns, jets etc... with various enemies of our enemies) gets used on us... and we continue to not learn from our own history.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #7 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? and then when they pummel their enemy, somehow, we end up with all that we've given them (over the years it's been training, guns, jets etc... with various enemies of our enemies) gets used on us... and we continue to not learn from our own history. The problem has been apparent for decades (more, really) of US international relations. I think we should have self-destruct chips embedded into all the weapons tech we give to our "friends of today", so that when they become our enemies of tomorrow, all we have to do is press the button on the panel and problem gone. I'll get working on it in my shop in the garage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 January 24, 2013 So they can fight the Iranians in a proxy war of course. Besides they'll be no threat to the USAF plus I bet they don't come with the optional extras When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #9 January 24, 2013 QuoteThe problem has been apparent for decades (more, really) of US international relations. I think we should have self-destruct chips embedded into all the weapons tech we give to our "friends of today", so that when they become our enemies of tomorrow, all we have to do is press the button on the panel and problem gone. I'll get working on it in my shop in the garage. That is not so far from the truth. You have to realize that a weapon system, esp. a complex one like a fighter jet needs tons of maintenance and spare parts. The reason Americans are not really worried about them being against themselves is, they stop supplying spares and 3 months later the fleet is essentially grounded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #10 January 24, 2013 Forgive me for sounding like an anti-corporate conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me that this benefits the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about in 1961, euphimistically referred to as "the defense industry". The strategic balance in the MidEast must be maintained, of course; so naturally whenever we provide jets, etc. to a "friendly" Arab govt we must counter-balance that by providing more and newer weaponry to the Israelis. So who really benefits? Well, it's time to buy some more stock in Lockheed Martin.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #11 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe problem has been apparent for decades (more, really) of US international relations. I think we should have self-destruct chips embedded into all the weapons tech we give to our "friends of today", so that when they become our enemies of tomorrow, all we have to do is press the button on the panel and problem gone. I'll get working on it in my shop in the garage. That is not so far from the truth. You have to realize that a weapon system, esp. a complex one like a fighter jet needs tons of maintenance and spare parts. The reason Americans are not really worried about them being against themselves is, they stop supplying spares and 3 months later the fleet is essentially grounded. Yes; now that you mention it, I remember that being the case with all the F-14s the Iranians had left over after they deposed the Shah - pretty soon they were un-usable for want of spare parts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 January 24, 2013 QuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? So Israel is which one of those?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #13 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? So Israel is which one of those? Israel is our roommate's buddy, who it's fun to watch the game with, but if we had to share an apartment with him, we'd punch his lights out for being insufferable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #14 January 24, 2013 We should put in a self-destruct safety measure. If they use the jets to target any part of Israel or any of our allies or our interests, the jets instantly blows up. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? So Israel is which one of those? Israel is our roommate's buddy, who it's fun to watch the game with, but if we had to share an apartment with him, we'd punch his lights out for being insufferable. What happens when the Israelis are attacked with those fighter jets?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #16 January 24, 2013 Because we give everyone fighter jets. Unfortunately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #17 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause the enemy of our enemy's enemy is our BFF. Clear now? So Israel is which one of those? Israel is our roommate's buddy, who it's fun to watch the game with, but if we had to share an apartment with him, we'd punch his lights out for being insufferable. What happens when the Israelis are attacked with those fighter jets? You don't think we've already had exactly that conversation with the Israelis? I guarantee you we have. OK, here's the answer: we sit back and get the popcorn and watch while Israel first successfully defends against the attack, then proceeds to obliterate the Egyptian Air Force, then proceeds to pound the living shit out of everything west of the Suez canal. We try not to visibly LOL as we urge all sides to exercise restraint. Then after a few days of the usual bitching from the UN, with a few wild cards and tantrums from Putin, we broker a peace. A week later, everyone holding vested Lockheed stock options exercises their options, and everyone (who is anyone) is happy as a clam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #18 January 24, 2013 >What happens when the Israelis are attacked with those fighter jets? Same thing that happens when our troops got attacked by our own Stingers. You know, the ones we gave to Bin Laden's parent organization to fight the commies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #19 January 24, 2013 Quote >What happens when the Israelis are attacked with those fighter jets? Same thing that happens when our troops got attacked by our own Stingers. You know, the ones we gave to Bin Laden's parent organization to fight the commies. At which point everyone holding Raytheon stock made a killing. So to speak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 January 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteThe problem has been apparent for decades (more, really) of US international relations. I think we should have self-destruct chips embedded into all the weapons tech we give to our "friends of today", so that when they become our enemies of tomorrow, all we have to do is press the button on the panel and problem gone. I'll get working on it in my shop in the garage. That is not so far from the truth. You have to realize that a weapon system, esp. a complex one like a fighter jet needs tons of maintenance and spare parts. The reason Americans are not really worried about them being against themselves is, they stop supplying spares and 3 months later the fleet is essentially grounded. I'd think their software would be riddled with logic bombs (some even placed there by the Americans!)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #21 January 24, 2013 Oh, there is another reason, and it's an old-fashioned one: because if we don't, the Russians and/or the Chinese will, thus (in theory, LOL) giving us some leverage, and just as importantly (if not more), depriving the Russians and/or Chinese of said leverage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #22 January 24, 2013 QuoteYes; now that you mention it, I remember that being the case with all the F-14s the Iranians had left over after they deposed the Shah - pretty soon they were un-usable for want of spare parts. The Iranians still operate F-4s, F-5s, F-14s, and P-3 tankers (in addition to MiGs and Sukhois.) /edited to add: QuoteForgive me for sounding like an anti-corporate conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me that this benefits the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about in 1961, euphimistically referred to as "the defense industry". The strategic balance in the MidEast must be maintained, of course; so naturally whenever we provide jets, etc. to a "friendly" Arab govt we must counter-balance that by providing more and newer weaponry to the Israelis. So who really benefits? Well, it's time to buy some more stock in Lockheed Martin... I did notice the article referred to them as "Lockheed Martin F-16s" to make sure no one went rushing off to buy GD stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #23 January 24, 2013 Quote I'd think their software would be riddled with logic bombs (some even placed there by the Americans!) I think the ones we export, run Windows on the fire-control systems."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
