kallend 2,182 #51 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/22/lone-star-community-college-houston-lockdown-shot/1855707/ Quote At least 3 shot at Houston-area community college Meh. Whatever. Oh, well, at least I got to start a gun thread. http://www.click2houston.com/news/Pct-4-Multiple-people-shot-at-Lone-Star-College/-/1735978/18233132/-/format/rss_2.0/-/6a4ut7z/-/index.html Gang-bangers go to college? I didn't see mention they were gang members. What makes you think that? Even more reason to keep the non gang members armed at all times! Lets just sayin certain parts of H-town, wearing a red shirt & a Falcons hat has nothing to do with being a fan of Atlanta's team. Kinda like all the young men around here with the Astro's 'Star' logo tattooed prominently....they ain't hardcore baseball fans...and you most definitely won't see THEM with a Falcons hat! Are you talking about these gangs? http://www.stophoustongangs.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=756&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Chuck Yup. I just learned something new.... The Astro's fans are the "Houstone Tango Blast" Can't figure out the Falcons fans, but I'm pretty sure they are some derivative of the bloods. 'Set trippin' at a community college...go figure. What I want to know is, if you’re a college student and you see two people with guns shooting at each other, as was the case in the Houston incident, what is the NRA’s recommended course of action? Should you, as a good-guy observer, pull out your concealed handgun and just assume that they’re both bad guys and shoot them on the spot? And if someone mistakes you for a gunman and shoots at you with his concealed handgun, should you shoot back at him, assuming he, too, is a bad guy? And should he keep shooting at you, assuming you’re a bad guy? Maybe the two original gunmen should also join in the shoot-fest, or run away in the confusion. And what should be the police policy going forward? Tough call identifying good guys and bad guys under college-campus conditions. Shouldn’t there be some kind of secret hand sign that identifies the good guys on campus from the bad guys? Perhaps legislation to require good guys to wear some kind of identifying symbol, such as a white hat, so they don’t become confused with the bad guys during a good guy-bad guy shootout. Bad guys could be required to grow dark, pencil-thin mustaches or wear their hair in tight pony tails, like in the movies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #52 January 23, 2013 If my life was threatened I would defend my self as best as possible. But since this happened in a school that would have to be with out a gun. But if I were allowed to carry concealed on campus what I would have done would very much depend on the situation. There is no one size fits all response. Drawing and firing my weapon is a last ditch resort to stay alive and defend myself and others around me. And yes I do have my CHL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #53 January 23, 2013 I've watched 'Gangland' and done a lot of searching in regard to gangs in the U.S. There is not one State that does not have gang activity. The gang problem in this country is like 'the elephant in the living room'. It's growing at a rapid rate. The only time we hear of gangs is when the Feds make a big drug bust. We don't hear of the gang related shootings. Noone seems to want to talk about it. Here in Texas, along the border, the media is intimidated by gangs to not tell of their activity. We DO, have a real problem. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #54 January 23, 2013 The Latin Kings were originally a Chicago gang. I remember them from when I was a kid living in the Chicagoland area. It's a very big gang and very well organized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/22/lone-star-community-college-houston-lockdown-shot/1855707/ Quote At least 3 shot at Houston-area community college Meh. Whatever. Oh, well, at least I got to start a gun thread. http://www.click2houston.com/news/Pct-4-Multiple-people-shot-at-Lone-Star-College/-/1735978/18233132/-/format/rss_2.0/-/6a4ut7z/-/index.html Gang-bangers go to college? I didn't see mention they were gang members. What makes you think that? Even more reason to keep the non gang members armed at all times! Lets just sayin certain parts of H-town, wearing a red shirt & a Falcons hat has nothing to do with being a fan of Atlanta's team. Kinda like all the young men around here with the Astro's 'Star' logo tattooed prominently....they ain't hardcore baseball fans...and you most definitely won't see THEM with a Falcons hat! Are you talking about these gangs? http://www.stophoustongangs.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=756&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Chuck Yup. I just learned something new.... The Astro's fans are the "Houstone Tango Blast" Can't figure out the Falcons fans, but I'm pretty sure they are some derivative of the bloods. 'Set trippin' at a community college...go figure. What I want to know is, if you’re a college student and you see two people with guns shooting at each other, as was the case in the Houston incident, what is the NRA’s recommended course of action? Should you, as a good-guy observer, pull out your concealed handgun and just assume that they’re both bad guys and shoot them on the spot? And if someone mistakes you for a gunman and shoots at you with his concealed handgun, should you shoot back at him, assuming he, too, is a bad guy? And should he keep shooting at you, assuming you’re a bad guy? Maybe the two original gunmen should also join in the shoot-fest, or run away in the confusion. And what should be the police policy going forward? Tough call identifying good guys and bad guys under college-campus conditions. Shouldn’t there be some kind of secret hand sign that identifies the good guys on campus from the bad guys? Perhaps legislation to require good guys to wear some kind of identifying symbol, such as a white hat, so they don’t become confused with the bad guys during a good guy-bad guy shootout. Bad guys could be required to grow dark, pencil-thin mustaches or wear their hair in tight pony tails, like in the movies. Or you could just dial up your mind reading machine and all would be goodNow, do you REALLY want to go along the lines of the post you just made? Really? Your sure?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #56 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/22/lone-star-community-college-houston-lockdown-shot/1855707/ Quote At least 3 shot at Houston-area community college Meh. Whatever. Oh, well, at least I got to start a gun thread. http://www.click2houston.com/news/Pct-4-Multiple-people-shot-at-Lone-Star-College/-/1735978/18233132/-/format/rss_2.0/-/6a4ut7z/-/index.html Gang-bangers go to college? I didn't see mention they were gang members. What makes you think that? Even more reason to keep the non gang members armed at all times! Lets just sayin certain parts of H-town, wearing a red shirt & a Falcons hat has nothing to do with being a fan of Atlanta's team. Kinda like all the young men around here with the Astro's 'Star' logo tattooed prominently....they ain't hardcore baseball fans...and you most definitely won't see THEM with a Falcons hat! Are you talking about these gangs? http://www.stophoustongangs.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=756&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Chuck Yup. I just learned something new.... The Astro's fans are the "Houstone Tango Blast" Can't figure out the Falcons fans, but I'm pretty sure they are some derivative of the bloods. 'Set trippin' at a community college...go figure. What I want to know is, if you’re a college student and you see two people with guns shooting at each other, as was the case in the Houston incident, what is the NRA’s recommended course of action? Should you, as a good-guy observer, pull out your concealed handgun and just assume that they’re both bad guys and shoot them on the spot? And if someone mistakes you for a gunman and shoots at you with his concealed handgun, should you shoot back at him, assuming he, too, is a bad guy? And should he keep shooting at you, assuming you’re a bad guy? Maybe the two original gunmen should also join in the shoot-fest, or run away in the confusion. And what should be the police policy going forward? Tough call identifying good guys and bad guys under college-campus conditions. Shouldn’t there be some kind of secret hand sign that identifies the good guys on campus from the bad guys? Perhaps legislation to require good guys to wear some kind of identifying symbol, such as a white hat, so they don’t become confused with the bad guys during a good guy-bad guy shootout. Bad guys could be required to grow dark, pencil-thin mustaches or wear their hair in tight pony tails, like in the movies. What I want to know is why you assume that the NRA would condone illegally having a gun on campus. Or did you just ignore the fact that the shooter was committing a crime just by having a gun where he was?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #57 January 23, 2013 shooter identified http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of-shooting-at-Lone-Star-College-in-North-Harris-County-187912461.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #58 January 23, 2013 WHOOSH! Either you missed the point completely, or you're trying to introduce a red herring.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #59 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/22/lone-star-community-college-houston-lockdown-shot/1855707/ Quote At least 3 shot at Houston-area community college Meh. Whatever. Oh, well, at least I got to start a gun thread. http://www.click2houston.com/news/Pct-4-Multiple-people-shot-at-Lone-Star-College/-/1735978/18233132/-/format/rss_2.0/-/6a4ut7z/-/index.html Gang-bangers go to college? I didn't see mention they were gang members. What makes you think that? Even more reason to keep the non gang members armed at all times! Lets just sayin certain parts of H-town, wearing a red shirt & a Falcons hat has nothing to do with being a fan of Atlanta's team. Kinda like all the young men around here with the Astro's 'Star' logo tattooed prominently....they ain't hardcore baseball fans...and you most definitely won't see THEM with a Falcons hat! Are you talking about these gangs? http://www.stophoustongangs.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=756&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Chuck Yup. I just learned something new.... The Astro's fans are the "Houstone Tango Blast" Can't figure out the Falcons fans, but I'm pretty sure they are some derivative of the bloods. 'Set trippin' at a community college...go figure. What I want to know is, if you’re a college student and you see two people with guns shooting at each other, as was the case in the Houston incident, what is the NRA’s recommended course of action? Should you, as a good-guy observer, pull out your concealed handgun and just assume that they’re both bad guys and shoot them on the spot? And if someone mistakes you for a gunman and shoots at you with his concealed handgun, should you shoot back at him, assuming he, too, is a bad guy? And should he keep shooting at you, assuming you’re a bad guy? Maybe the two original gunmen should also join in the shoot-fest, or run away in the confusion. And what should be the police policy going forward? Tough call identifying good guys and bad guys under college-campus conditions. Shouldn’t there be some kind of secret hand sign that identifies the good guys on campus from the bad guys? Perhaps legislation to require good guys to wear some kind of identifying symbol, such as a white hat, so they don’t become confused with the bad guys during a good guy-bad guy shootout. Bad guys could be required to grow dark, pencil-thin mustaches or wear their hair in tight pony tails, like in the movies. Or you could just dial up your mind reading machine and all would be good? The post relates to what a college STUDENT with a concealed weapon would do. Try reading more carefully.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #60 January 23, 2013 What I want to know is, if you’re a college student and you see two people with guns shooting at each other, as was the case in the Houston incident, what is the NRA’s recommended course of action? Should you, as a good-guy observer, pull out your concealed handgun and just assume that they’re both bad guys and shoot them on the spot? And if someone mistakes you for a gunman and shoots at you with his concealed handgun, should you shoot back at him, assuming he, too, is a bad guy? And should he keep shooting at you, assuming you’re a bad guy? Maybe the two original gunmen should also join in the shoot-fest, or run away in the confusion. And what should be the police policy going forward? Tough call identifying good guys and bad guys under college-campus conditions. Shouldn’t there be some kind of secret hand sign that identifies the good guys on campus from the bad guys? Perhaps legislation to require good guys to wear some kind of identifying symbol, such as a white hat, so they don’t become confused with the bad guys during a good guy-bad guy shootout. Bad guys could be required to grow dark, pencil-thin mustaches or wear their hair in tight pony tails, like in the movies. Quote ONE guy with a gun is what last nights news was reporting... He shot the kid he was arguing with, one stray round hit a school employee and he shot himself in the ass... As to your 'comment'... Who cares WHAT the NRA recommends?! IF you were a CC permit holder here in Texas, you would 'hopefully' do what you were taught to do during the certification. You would 'hopefully' realize that carrying a weapon on that campus is against the law...(notice the bad guy shooter didn't care though)...and remember that scenarios of that type, having been covered in the training - are best left to the professionals unless YOU find yourself in immediate danger. Hard to believe at it may seem Doc, they don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. There is safety training, testing of handling & accuracy skills, extensive training /discussion of the liabilities - Criminal, Civil & Moral. You don't GET a permit until you have a good working knowledge of weapons, tactics and legal implications - like carrying onto a campus where it's posted not to, and stepping into a running gun battle without being in fear for your life. On the other hand...at the recent theater shooting~ No not Aurora, San Antonio...the one where the 'good person' with a gun shot and killed the 'bad person' with a gun and prevented him from killing a theater full of people after he'd shot & killed his girlfriend. http://concealedcarryaustin.com/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting/ ~Funny how THAT didn't get national media attention. Maybe 'funny' isn't the right word, 'telling' fits better. It's rather telling that news of that sort is overlooked, being that it isn't within the propaganda agenda the liberal media is bombarding the masses with. Just as it's rather 'telling' that you would come up with some weird-ass Hollywood type shoot out scenario to infer that thankfully a campus full of lives were saved because no one had a LEGAL concealed weapon. As far as the 2nd amendment is concerned, perhaps you should be wearing the pencil thin mustache during future dissemination of your wrist-wringing propaganda...like in Hollywood. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #61 January 23, 2013 Or you could just dial up your mind reading machine and all would be good? The post relates to what a college STUDENT with a concealed weapon would do. Try reading more carefully. I read it just fine Maybe you should go back and read what you wrote"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #62 January 23, 2013 Quote I read it just fine ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #63 January 23, 2013 Quotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. Quotehttp://concealedcarryaustin.com/...io-theater-shooting/ ~Funny how THAT didn't get national media attention. What kind of headline would you expect? I can see the front page now: Cop Does Her Job. That's not exactly newsworthy.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #64 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #65 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course. Correct. So tell me, how many weeks does the training program last? How many hours per day are we talking about during those weeks?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #66 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote I read it just fine You might read fine but your comprehension sucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #67 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote they don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. Quote http://concealedcarryaustin.com/...io-theater-shooting/ ~Funny how THAT didn't get national media attention. What kind of headline would you expect? I can see the front page now: Cop Does Her Job. That's not exactly newsworthy. Off duty...not in uniform, not called to the scene, not At her JOB. Just in essence a face in the crowd, that happened to be armed. Just like when I go to the movies! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #68 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course. Correct. So tell me, how many weeks does the training program last? How many hours per day are we talking about during those weeks? You can google the answer just as easy as anyone else. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #69 January 23, 2013 Quote Off duty...not in uniform, not called to the scene, not At her JOB. Just in essence a face in the crowd, that happened to be armed. Just like when I go to the movies! Aren't cops like soldiers, EMTs, and many other public servants? Even when they're off duty they are expected to react to felonies in progress in the immediate vicinity, right? She did her job, no more, no less.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #70 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course. Correct. So tell me, how many weeks does the training program last? How many hours per day are we talking about during those weeks? Mine was 16 hours over the course of 3 days... I don't know if that's the 'standard' because mine was specifically for a group that already had a good working knowledge of firearms. We trained to qualify with both revolvers and automatics, it's different now IIRC, you don't qualify on a specific type. My class had 20 people enrolled, 9 received permits. Those that did not meet the criteria were placed in the next 'standard' course to get more training. could be wrong but I think that class was 21 or 24 hours over 5 days. I've been around firearms since I was 7, I've taken two combat shooting courses in preparation for IPSC matches on the left coast years ago...the permit class I attended here in Texas is a far cry from 'basic' as you alluded. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #71 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course. Correct. So tell me, how many weeks does the training program last? How many hours per day are we talking about during those weeks? Hunting license https://txfgisales.appsolgrp.com/fgtxisa/jsp/preindex.jsp?siteID=TPWDINTBRKR CCL. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/faqs/index.htm#I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #72 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethey don't just give out concealed carry permits like fishing licenses. True. It's more like the way they give out small-game hunting licenses: i.e., a small fee and minimal training. You have obviously never taken a Texas ccl course. Correct. So tell me, how many weeks does the training program last? How many hours per day are we talking about during those weeks? You can google the answer just as easy as anyone else. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm "An original (first time) CHL applicant must complete a minimum 10 hour class, taught by a DPS certified CHL instructor. The class includes classroom and a proficiency demonstration (shooting)." Like I said, minimal training, similar to a small-game hunting license in some states.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #73 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Off duty...not in uniform, not called to the scene, not At her JOB. Just in essence a face in the crowd, that happened to be armed. Just like when I go to the movies! Aren't cops like soldiers, EMTs, and many other public servants? Even when they're off duty they are expected to react to felonies in progress in the immediate vicinity, right? She did her job, no more, no less. I bet you think the justice system inherently protects you from violence too, don't you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #74 January 23, 2013 Very spotty training requirements across the nation. Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Washington have no training/safety certification requirement, and Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska and Arizona have no requirements at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #75 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote Off duty...not in uniform, not called to the scene, not At her JOB. Just in essence a face in the crowd, that happened to be armed. Just like when I go to the movies! Aren't cops like soldiers, EMTs, and many other public servants? Even when they're off duty they are expected to react to felonies in progress in the immediate vicinity, right? She did her job, no more, no less. So...the fact that a person who 'just happened' to be on the scene & was armed, stopped what surely would have been another tragedy by using a concealed weapon, is completely lost on you because of what they do while 'at work'. Ok...I get where you're coming from. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
