93626392 0 #26 January 18, 2013 Major Caudill's model is flawed because it's too simple. From the point of view of an individual with a gun, the gun has a positive effect. But there are negative effects - externalities - associated with mass gun ownership. People can steal guns to kill children, for example. The question is whether those negative externalities as a whole associated with gun ownership are acceptable or not. That ultimately is society. His argument seems like a 'slam dunk', but in reality he is oversimplifying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #27 January 18, 2013 Yes, it is a very simple statement. I'm of the opinion it was on purpose to keep it on point and understandable.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #28 January 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteYour statement was that it's just about never true. That is a sweeping statement, and I'm waiting to hear how you know that it isn't usually true. Do you have a source? Or are you going on your gut feeling? It is my gut feeling. If you ask people outside the US to describe Americans...would polite come up? I have been to the US quite a bit and would state that generally Canadians are much more polite than Americans. Lastly, since people on this thread are treating fearfull and polite as being equal, the whole statement might just be flawed from the beginning. I visited the states at least 4 or 5 times last year, and I believe the americans would probably as or more polite than canadians I deal with up here. certainly when it comes to service workers, in the states I'm generally treated as a valued customer, and people bend over backwards, generally to treat us well, where here in canada it's generally service people don't want me to bother them or ask them to do their job. Of course I have talked with people in tennessee who told me if they thought they could get away with it they'd shoot Obama themselves, but they had reasons for that, and they were just venting. Still I would have to think long and hard to find a time when I have actually found someone in the US who treated me rudely (and that was probably a customs guy at the border, who was armed).If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
93626392 0 #29 January 19, 2013 QuoteYes, it is a very simple statement. I'm of the opinion it was on purpose to keep it on point and understandable. But that's really the point, isn't it. Subjects such as this shouldn't be reduced to the point where very important aspects are not revealed or discussed. In that sense, Major Caudill's oversimplification of the reality of the situation does a disservice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites