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BigMikeH77

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I recently took up skydiving for many reasons... First and foremost is of course the obligatory "I've always wanted to", then more personal reasons start to chime in like wanting healthier activities/hobbies and wanting healthier people in my life. Thus far, even three jumps into my AFF, the sport has not disappointed.

However, as we all know, sometimes the past rears its ugly head and theres not a thing we can do about it. Which brings me to my question for you to ponder and, if you'd like, offer some ideas... One of the people in my established "circle" of quirky friends has gotten themselves into a habit with meth, and I'm wondering how much support I should consider lending them. It's a she, and she had started using a couple of months ago then swore up and down that she wouldn't do it again. A month ago she asked me if I wanted to do some (I've never done that before and never will...), and I politely declined.. And then she started to bottom out - lost her job, is about to lose her house, car, probably daughter, etc... I'm wondering if there's anything I can really do for this person at this point other than give her a phone number for help and wish her the best.

I don't think it's selfish or bad to recognize when you can't help someone and subsequently refuse to bang your head against a brick wall trying to accomplish something you've already decided can't be done. that would be nuts, I think. And isn't that what the addict mind really wants people to do for them?

Does anyone have any experience with acquaintences who've gotten into the meth trap?

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She want support, I suppose for me to be like a cheerleader and say things like "you can do this" and rah rah rah. Wants to be the center of attention, and I'm just not certain that even having all the attention in the world will help. I mean, the first time she did that a few months ago was followed by swearing never again to use that... And look. The way I'm kind of looking at this is from a perspective of "should I even attempt to help or be supportive", knowing full well the destructive power of an addicts mind.

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I recently took up skydiving for many reasons... First and foremost is of course the obligatory "I've always wanted to", then more personal reasons start to chime in like wanting healthier activities/hobbies and wanting healthier people in my life. Thus far, even three jumps into my AFF, the sport has not disappointed.

However, as we all know, sometimes the past rears its ugly head and theres not a thing we can do about it. Which brings me to my question for you to ponder and, if you'd like, offer some ideas... One of the people in my established "circle" of quirky friends has gotten themselves into a habit with meth, and I'm wondering how much support I should consider lending them. It's a she, and she had started using a couple of months ago then swore up and down that she wouldn't do it again. A month ago she asked me if I wanted to do some (I've never done that before and never will...), and I politely declined.. And then she started to bottom out - lost her job, is about to lose her house, car, probably daughter, etc... I'm wondering if there's anything I can really do for this person at this point other than give her a phone number for help and wish her the best.

I don't think it's selfish or bad to recognize when you can't help someone and subsequently refuse to bang your head against a brick wall trying to accomplish something you've already decided can't be done. that would be nuts, I think. And isn't that what the addict mind really wants people to do for them?

Does anyone have any experience with acquaintences who've gotten into the meth trap?



Offered you some? What a great gal. You get hooked to suffer like she does or will suffer.
Give her the phone number and steer clear. There's nothing but trouble with these dopers.

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Sorry to hear about your friend. You can start by sending her a link to this:

http://wtvr.com/2012/12/11/faces-of-meth-before-and-after/

and then ask her to google pictures of "meth mouth."

Little effort on your part, and perhaps if she sees where this all leads (nowhere good), it might have an impact. She will have to have the will to get over it though -- I heard this habit is about as tough to kick as heroin. [:/]


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lost her job, is about to lose her house, car, probably daughter, etc



You’ve identified a person that, to me, should likely be a focus of whatever help can be given…



There are more liberals on here than I thought. She about to lose her house, car and daughter and she's out offering guys dope. I take it you've never been around METH HEADS. RUN. Next thing she'll cozy up in the sack to get a roof over her head and then you'll have a real problem. Trust me. It's a time bomb. Tell her she needs help and give her the number and steer clear. My advice.

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I agree, but my question is... Can I REALLY do anything? It's important to help people, but equally important to help yourself. Does that make sense?



Anything that you can specifically do? No, not really. But I can say I’ve dealt with plenty of tweakers in the past in custody issues and, yes, perhaps some other involvement or contact is necessary.

A tweaker is predictable in many ways. This woman, in you maintain any contact, will destroy your life. And do some hefty destruction of the daughter’s life due to sheer neglect. If you know the dad, it may be wise to consider contacting him.


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If she's going to beat it, she has to be strong enough to beat it on her own. That doesn't mean in a vacuum, but she probably can't feel like you're her lifeline, unless you really can avoid being sucked in. It's so easy to be sucked in.

If she wants you as her lifeline, she's giving you some responsibility for her sobriety. She has to take responsibility for it.

And yeah, if there's a father of the daughter, he should be notified.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I am sorry you are having to deal with this issue. I so agree with those who say be very careful, she WILL try to take you down with her. It is not a deliberate thing, it is a part of the sickness. The best you can do for her is to provide her resources in her community and if you believe the child is in danger, call authorities. That's a hard thing to do, one that I have had to do more times than I remember. I am a mandated reporter, you are not legally obligated, but certainly want the best for the child. If you don't know what resources are available you can call the United Way. I think in most parts of the country the number is 211.

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There's not a whole lot you can do. Most help that she wants is just going to enable her. She can quit, with help, but she has to want to quit. I know a few reformed tweakers. It's a tough road, and a lot of people die before they decide they want to get clean, but it's possible.

My advice is similar to others. Be very careful, she has already tried to suck you in.
Follow the NA link that Catfish posted. Find an open meeting in your area, go and explain your situation to someone there. That is a group of people that has truly "Been there, done that."
Tell her you want to help, but aren't willing to put yourself at risk. She will very likely accuse you of not caring, and abandoning her.

And above all, try to help the daughter. That may mean calling social services, or even the cops. The woman may hate you for it. But the daughter doesn't really have a choice. The mom does (or at least did).
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A tweaker is predictable in many ways. This woman, in you maintain any contact, will destroy your life. And do some hefty destruction of the daughter’s life due to sheer neglect. If you know the dad, it may be wise to consider contacting him.



That sums it all up.

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It is a tough situation you are in,but you can't help someone until they truly try to help themselves,and even then it will most likely be alot of misery for you without achieving any success in controlling her addiction.
I've known alot of people who have had substance abuse problems,but the ones who were addicted to meth are the worst.
I have yet to see any tweaker I know kick meth.
Tweakers will steal anything, and use anyone they can to feed the addiction.
Tweakers will grab onto you, like someone who is drowning will pull under a rescuer, and drown you along with themselves.
If she has family,then alert them so they can hopefully save the child.
It is a tough thing to do,but I would advise you to leave this woman behind and move on.

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My eldest stepdaughter has been doing this shit for years. My wife (She's a nurse), has bent over backwards to try and help her. We have helped her feed her two daughters, paid for firewood to keep them warm, taken the kids for weekends and holidays to help her out and give her a break.
Nothing changes.
After more then 10 years of trying, my wife has come to the end of her tether. I have been with her for the last 7 years and the efforts she has made are nothing short of saintly.
But the drug is insidious and the people involved in making and distributing it are evil incarnate.
As of 4 weeks ago we have gone to court and taken custody of the two girls to protect them from thier mothers abuse/neglet.

It's an evil drug and the longer she goes on with it the harder it becomes to try and make a change.
Help your friend if you can/if she wants it.
But be prepared to turn your back so you don't get sucked into the ever decending spiral that is a meth heads life.

I am a former user my self, so I have a bit of a perspective on the whole damn thing.
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she will have to reach her own bottom

Unfortunately, for some people that's so low that they die.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Well this is tragic, unfortunate its not uncommon. My wife and I are just about empty nesters...wtih another daughter being married off in two months. But now in my early 50's, my wife and I several months ago received my nephew’s 2 month old son and 11 year old daughter through the Child Protective Services.

My nephew is a Meth addict as well...been in and out of prison, since the age of 18 and has very few of his teeth left an still can't kick it. His older brother a little over a year ago was finally able to kick his addiction by placing a 45 Cal. round through his head. We have poured our lives, money, time into these boys with the hope they would somehow make a change.

I don't know the answer...other than turning one’s life over to the Lord. But even that doesn't seem to be an avenue for my nephew you has done little if anything to improve his ability to have his kids returned to him. Sadly I see a 28 year old BOY, with very few years left on this earth.

If you find an answer send it my way.

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You are getting a lot of good advise here, I've seen what that stuff will do and it's not a happy story.

I moved to San Diego in the early 80's when Meth was just taking hold...you couldn't swing a dead cat out in east county with hitting a meth-lab. It was everywhere.

As a supervisor at an aerospace plant I was amazed at how openly it was being used...the local 'connect' use to deal out of his car parked right behind the lunch-truck every day.

D.T. for O.T. didn't mean double-time for over-time ~ it meant double-tweaked! :|

I would sneak a bit & take pictures of people I knew were using about every 30 days, when shit started to go sideways for them I'd show them what 6 months on meth had done...

Our work paid for rehab if you turned yourself in, if 'caught' you were fired. I would give said individuals the information and strongly advise them to seek help.

I ran the Emergency Response teams there, the place had so many chemicals & exotic materials the local fire department would not come on the property for anything other than structural fire. Since the teams depended on each other for real life & death stuff I insisted on drug testing long before it was 'popular'.

We were making parts for military aircraft, commercial jets & the space shuttle...MY department was the only one piss-testing!
:S

People were often sent to my department for 'cross training' which meant you were about to be fired, two minutes in and ya were piss tested...refuse and they would nail ya for in subornation and ya got fired after a 3 days suspension.

I didn't like it but it's how mahogany row handled it back then...

I'd warn people that were obviously losing it that they were on the short list for my dept.
Some took heed and quit on their own, some went to rehab...the majority blew it off & got fired.

I've seen too many skin & bones friends that deny a problem, teeth falling out, sore all over 'em, faces scared from 'mirror lock' hours of picking at themselves.

As said by others above~

You can't help an addict unless they WANT help, and even then the success rate is low.

They will steal from you, try to manipulate you, they will in all probability become psychotic and may end up hurting you.

My advise ~ take pictures of your friend, document behavior changes...some time down the road call in other of her friends and do an intervention showing the physical and behavioral changes being incurred.

Offer to assist with seeking professional help, and be supportive if she takes that option. If not you gotta cut-away.

It WILL only end one way if she continues and you do NOT wanna be anywhere near that ship when it hits the iceberg.











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