More gun laws? Why? Anti's need to look at the facts and then STFU

[billvon 3,118]

>Debate? What debate.

The 24/7, nonstop cable news coverage? The endless talk shows about it? The NRA's near-constant news conferences? Half a dozen press conferences by Obama? The 11 threads on this topic on this page alone? You yourself have posted 66 times on the topic. Take your pick.

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[rushmc 23]

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>Debate? What debate.

The 24/7, nonstop cable news coverage? The endless talk shows about it? The NRA's near-constant news conferences? Half a dozen press conferences by Obama? The 11 threads on this topic on this page alone? You yourself have posted 66 times on the topic. Take your pick.

Was it you that bitched the Ohio RTW (or was it MI?) law was rammed through in the middle of the night???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

Although I am a dedicated advocate of an armed society, I am going to take some offense at the STFU in the thread title.

I think there needs to be some adult discourse on the subject. (I have given up on adult discourse on this forum) I think we have lost some things in our society that will be hard to regain and we have to admit that and deal with it. I don't think the average gun owner is trained by dad, uncle, grandpa as they were once. Training would be nice. I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

So, I think we could use some training / licensing before firearms purchase, ownership, carrying. The problem is that this has been used in the past by anti-gun zealots as a precursor to taking firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. How can we encourage responsible firearm ownership and use without endangering what I consider an unalienable right of a citizen?

I would like to think a trade-off would be possible. For instance, a law that implements firearms use and safety training in schools that results in licensure during high school or thereabouts; but with an accompanying guarantee that the license will not be withheld and holding the license gives the holder the right to carry concealed, open, in a car, at home, in a theater, in a restaurant, etc. Oh, and no more of this tracking what I own stuff. If I hold the license, I walk into the store and purchase what I want without paperwork. No opportunity to show at my house with a list and demand I surrender my weapons.

People on both sides will likely rebel at this idea, but that's one of the traits of a trade-off.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Although I am a dedicated advocate of an armed society, I am going to take some offense at the STFU in the thread title.

I think there needs to be some adult discourse on the subject. (I have given up on adult discourse on this forum) I think we have lost some things in our society that will be hard to regain and we have to admit that and deal with it. I don't think the average gun owner is trained by dad, uncle, grandpa as they were once. Training would be nice. I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

So, I think we could use some training / licensing before firearms purchase, ownership, carrying. The problem is that this has been used in the past by anti-gun zealots as a precursor to taking firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. How can we encourage responsible firearm ownership and use without endangering what I consider an unalienable right of a citizen?

I would like to think a trade-off would be possible. For instance, a law that implements firearms use and safety training in schools that results in licensure during high school or thereabouts; but with an accompanying guarantee that the license will not be withheld and holding the license gives the holder the right to carry concealed, open, in a car, at home, in a theater, in a restaurant, etc. Oh, and no more of this tracking what I own stuff. If I hold the license, I walk into the store and purchase what I want without paperwork. No opportunity to show at my house with a list and demand I surrender my weapons.

People on both sides will likely rebel at this idea, but that's one of the traits of a trade-off.

I too am tired of it. Since I seem to see very little of it I posted a thread of data that is still being ignored

Hense the title

Point taken (as I said to billvon who then used the same tactic) but I would not change it as it has made its point.

No disrespect intended but I am sorry you let yourself, give to others, the power to offend you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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so you are saying the nazis made it easier for everyone to have guns?
Did that include the jews,gypsies,and socialist,ect,ect,or just the people Hitler and his supporters felt would be good nazis?

I meant exactly what I wrote. Don't invent strawmen.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Although I am a dedicated advocate of an armed society, I am going to take some offense at the STFU in the thread title.

I think there needs to be some adult discourse on the subject. (I have given up on adult discourse on this forum) I think we have lost some things in our society that will be hard to regain and we have to admit that and deal with it. I don't think the average gun owner is trained by dad, uncle, grandpa as they were once. Training would be nice. I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

So, I think we could use some training / licensing before firearms purchase, ownership, carrying. The problem is that this has been used in the past by anti-gun zealots as a precursor to taking firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. How can we encourage responsible firearm ownership and use without endangering what I consider an unalienable right of a citizen?

I would like to think a trade-off would be possible. For instance, a law that implements firearms use and safety training in schools that results in licensure during high school or thereabouts; but with an accompanying guarantee that the license will not be withheld and holding the license gives the holder the right to carry concealed, open, in a car, at home, in a theater, in a restaurant, etc. Oh, and no more of this tracking what I own stuff. If I hold the license, I walk into the store and purchase what I want without paperwork. No opportunity to show at my house with a list and demand I surrender my weapons.

People on both sides will likely rebel at this idea, but that's one of the traits of a trade-off.

I really resonate with this whole post. thanks

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[Skyrad 0]

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Although I am a dedicated advocate of an armed society, I am going to take some offense at the STFU in the thread title.

I think there needs to be some adult discourse on the subject. (I have given up on adult discourse on this forum) I think we have lost some things in our society that will be hard to regain and we have to admit that and deal with it. I don't think the average gun owner is trained by dad, uncle, grandpa as they were once. Training would be nice. I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

So, I think we could use some training / licensing before firearms purchase, ownership, carrying. The problem is that this has been used in the past by anti-gun zealots as a precursor to taking firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. How can we encourage responsible firearm ownership and use without endangering what I consider an unalienable right of a citizen?

I would like to think a trade-off would be possible. For instance, a law that implements firearms use and safety training in schools that results in licensure during high school or thereabouts; but with an accompanying guarantee that the license will not be withheld and holding the license gives the holder the right to carry concealed, open, in a car, at home, in a theater, in a restaurant, etc. Oh, and no more of this tracking what I own stuff. If I hold the license, I walk into the store and purchase what I want without paperwork. No opportunity to show at my house with a list and demand I surrender my weapons.

People on both sides will likely rebel at this idea, but that's one of the traits of a trade-off.

Well said, still you don't have a problem semi auto longs are legal in Belgium

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[davjohns 1]

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No disrespect intended but I am sorry you let yourself, give to others, the power to offend you

OK, Mr. Quibbler. Offense was too strong a term. It actually takes a long, sharp bayonette to hurt my feelings. I should have said something like, "I disagree with one small point."

Better? Need me to buy you a beer?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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No disrespect intended but I am sorry you let yourself, give to others, the power to offend you

OK, Mr. Quibbler. Offense was too strong a term. It actually takes a long, sharp bayonette to hurt my feelings. I should have said something like, "I disagree with one small point."

Better? Need me to buy you a beer?

Bravo

Nicely done

The beer is on me!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing but honestly and truthfully that has never been the case. Society as a whole has never done that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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I don't think family, friends, neighbors are taking responsibility for those around them as they once did. What I mean is, two guys can no longer go to their neighbor's front door and say, "Ed, you have a drinking problem. Until you get it under control, Harry's going to hold onto your guns." or, "Tommy, you smack your wife around again, Frank and I are going to smack you around, get it?"

Yes, here they have

And in many places still do
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing but honestly and truthfully that has never been the case. Society as a whole has never done that.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

In small contiguous communities; it probably never was the case in (for example) most of 1920's NYC. It's possibly still true in certain (again, for example) orthodox Jewish communities in NYC.

Our cities are bigger, our people are more mobile. Technology has made both of those easier.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,595]

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Yes, here they have

And in many places still do

A few people in a few places. As a widespread, effective practice in society as a whole - absolutely, positively not. Not now, not ever.

If anything has changed from 'then' to now it's that these days the police are less likely to help Tommy cover it up.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?