Secret 'no-fly zone'?

[wayneflorida 0]

Glider pilot flys over nuke plant and is arrested.

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2013/130110secret-no-fly-zone.html?WT.mc_id=130111epilot&WT.mc_sect=gan

[regulator 0]

Never knew there was such a thing as 'aircraft loitering'

[OHCHUTE 0]

OH I got it, any disturbance you create that breaks peace, means you are guilty of BREECH OF PEACE. I never heard of this law.

FOLKS, government intrusion is gaining momentum and if WE don't shut this BS down its only going to get worse. For Crips sakes he's a glider pilot! And they handcuff him and threw him in a cell. This makes me puke what we've become. It's going to end up, LEO vs Citizens

[lawrocket 3]

Local law enforcement has NO authority over aircraft or the air. I like that the pilots knew that.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

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[regulator 0]

I'm pretty sure he wont be doing that again...however I dont see how he did anything wrong when he was following his charts and there was nothing there indicating he couldnt fly over.

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I'm pretty sure he wont be doing that again...however I dont see how he did anything wrong when he was following his charts and there was nothing there indicating he couldnt fly over.

Yeah, there was, he could see it with his own eyes. It's called pilotage. Nuclear power plants don't look like anything other than . . . nuclear power plants. Saying its not indicated on the sectional isn't a good excuse and especially flying at 1,000 agl.

Was it legal? Sure. Is it smart considering the world we currently live in? Nope.

<--- CFI

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[lawrocket 3]

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Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

But if something is illegal, it's usually not a wise course of action. Like a local law enforcement official trying to order a plane to land or threatening to commandeer an airport.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Saying its not indicated on the sectional isn't a good excuse and especially flying at 1,000 agl.

"It's not a prohibited activity" is actually a VERY good excuse. The police arrested a guy and swore out a warrant for his engaging in a legal activity.

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[quade 4]

We're talking two different issues.

I agree the authorities over reacted.

I also think the pilot should have known better.

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[lawrocket 3]

The issue is "should have known better." Why?

As aviators, we have our authorities and our doctrines and our info. I know that there's a TFR over Disneyland - don't go under 3k feet.

Disneyland can get one. Why not a power plant?

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[Channman 2]

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The issue is "should have known better." Why?

As aviators, we have our authorities and our doctrines and our info. I know that there's a TFR over Disneyland - don't go under 3k feet.

Disneyland can get one. Why not a power plant?

What's disturbing is the request to shoot him down. I wonder what the out come and or cover up would have been if that had occurred.

[OHCHUTE 0]

There's been about 6,000 pilots handed tickets for breaking control zones. There are 17 federal agencies that deal with private pilots breaking flying through restricted zone. There is a glider club next to Camp David. Since 911 the club has been cut back but fortunately they have a waiver and must abide by certain flight rules they didn't have abide by before 911. The construct of restricted zones after 911 was an employment bonaza for federal agencies staffing to deal with pilots. It's an industry totally constructed by the gov't and in some cases designed to snare pilots. See fly through area between Baltimore and WAshington. Best to steer clear as you'd only be helping that gov't worker if you make a mistake.

Btw: Military jets intercepted a Bonaza carrying a doc and his family back from Bahama off NC and one jet ran into them and downed the doc. All dead. Stupid military for their actions as the doc was on IFR and talking to ATC another case of Federal agencies not talking to each other. This was in the 70's.

[piisfish 140]

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Is it smart considering the world cuntry we currently live in? Nope.

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[wayneflorida 0]

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Never knew there was such a thing as 'aircraft loitering'

It's possibly the long time for groups to exist before tandems.

[diablopilot 2]

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Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

You're unbelievable. Read the fucking article.

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[NewGuy2005 53]

I read up to this part:

"Fleming was familiar with the post-9/11 notam that advises pilots to avoid flying near facilities such as power plants “to the extent practicable,”..."

The authorities may have over reacted but you do something like that and you take your chances.

[billvon 3,090]

>>Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

>You're unbelievable. Read the fucking article.

?? He's right. It's not illegal to do S-turns on final in a crowded pattern but it's not a very smart thing to do. Nor is it all that smart to fly low over nuclear power plants, recent airliner crash sites, military airfields etc even when it is legal to do so.

From the article all the charges were dropped and he was released. There's a pretty good chance the outcome is that some cops got chewed out and the problem won't be likely to recur there.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>>Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

>You're unbelievable. Read the fucking article.

?? He's right. It's not illegal to do S-turns on final in a crowded pattern but it's not a very smart thing to do. Nor is it all that smart to fly low over nuclear power plants, recent airliner crash sites, military airfields etc even when it is legal to do so.

From the article all the charges were dropped and he was released. There's a pretty good chance the outcome is that some cops got chewed out and the problem won't be likely to recur there.

The charges were dropped in exchange for his agreement not to pursue legal action against the cops.

The number of things the cops got wrong and lied about is rather disturbing.

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[kallend 2,120]

Northern Illinois has the greatest concentration of nuke plants in the country.

I am a private pilot based in N. Illinois. I choose not to fly over the nuke plants because while it is legal, IT IS A FUCKING STUPID THING TO DO.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[popsjumper 2]

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The charges were dropped in exchange for his agreement not to pursue legal action against the cops.

The number of things the cops got wrong and lied about is rather disturbing.

He handled it in a way that I never would have...we're going to court and then I'm taking home a plane load of money from you assholes!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[popsjumper 2]

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Northern Illinois has the greatest concentration of nuke plants in the country.

I am a private pilot based in N. Illinois. I choose not to fly over the nuke plants because while it is legal, IT IS A FUCKING STUPID THING TO DO.

OK...say the guy is stupid...does that make it OK for the pigs to do what they did?
No, it doesn't. So what's your point here?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[kallend 2,120]

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Northern Illinois has the greatest concentration of nuke plants in the country.

I am a private pilot based in N. Illinois. I choose not to fly over the nuke plants because while it is legal, IT IS A FUCKING STUPID THING TO DO.

OK...say the guy is stupid...does that make it OK for the pigs to do what they did?
No, it doesn't. So what's your point here?

Two separate issues:

Pilots shouldn't be stupid.

LEOs shouldn't be stupid.

Both were involved in this incident.

Don't you teach your students that most incidents are the result of a chain of events, and that breaking the chain at any point would have prevented the incident?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[popsjumper 2]

What does my students have to do with this?

IMO, the cops were waaaaay more stoopider.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Channman 2]

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There's been about 6,000 pilots handed tickets for breaking control zones. There are 17 federal agencies that deal with private pilots breaking flying through restricted zone. There is a glider club next to Camp David. Since 911 the club has been cut back but fortunately they have a waiver and must abide by certain flight rules they didn't have abide by before 911. The construct of restricted zones after 911 was an employment bonaza for federal agencies staffing to deal with pilots. It's an industry totally constructed by the gov't and in some cases designed to snare pilots. See fly through area between Baltimore and WAshington. Best to steer clear as you'd only be helping that gov't worker if you make a mistake.

Btw: Military jets intercepted a Bonaza carrying a doc and his family back from Bahama off NC and one jet ran into them and downed the doc. All dead. Stupid military for their actions as the doc was on IFR and talking to ATC another case of Federal agencies not talking to each other. This was in the 70's.

I'm aware of the intercept in reference to the Doc and family. If my memory serves me correctly, it was an F4 that was creeping up on the aircraft in IMC conditions to identify its N number when the collision occurred.

There was no contact with the pilot at the time and that is why Center requested a intercept. I believe the Pilot did not file an ICAO flight Plan and busted the US ADIZ Boundary without a proper flight plan and or being in contact with Air Traffic Control. But I could be wrong and will look up this incident for the facts.