State of the Climate National Overview Annual 2012

[quade 4]

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2012/13

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In 2012, the contiguous United States (CONUS) average annual temperature of 55.3°F was 3.3°F above the 20th century average, and was the warmest year in the 1895-2012 period of record for the nation. The 2012 annual temperature was 1.0°F warmer than the previous record warm year of 1998. Since 1895, the CONUS has observed a long-term temperature increase of about 0.13°F per decade.

If you think the warming trend ended years ago, you're wrong.

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[lawrocket 3]

I discussed a couple fo issues here:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4424418#4424418

Have you any explanation for it?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

Sure. You're not going to like it though, so why bother?

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[lawrocket 3]

DOesn't matter if I like it or not.

Why is 1934 colder today than it was in 1999? Why is 1998 warmer today than it was in 1999?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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DOesn't matter if I like it or not.

Why is 1934 colder today than it was in 1999? Why is 1998 warmer today than it was in 1999?

If that's what you want to talk about, put up your evidence. However, the topic of this thread is the report just published by NOAA. Are your attempting to dispute the data in it?

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[lawrocket 3]

No. I'm just wondering why 1998 was the hottest year on record now when in 1999 it wasn't.

What's the raw versus the adjusted data look like?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

So, you have no evidence and you're making a claim and I'm supposed to take your word for it that your claim is somehow valid?

Where did you get this idea of yours that the data has changed? Give me a clue as to what you believe you're talking about.

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[lawrocket 3]

Did you see my post, Paul? With the link to the Whither US Climate and the GISS graphs? With Either 1934 or 1935 as the hottest US year on record? You seriously didn't see that?

And now 1998 is being called the warmest. Until now - where 1998 is the second warmest. In the US. About 1% of the earth.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

No. I seriously didn't, because your link in the other thread seriously isn't working for me.

Seriously.

And because of that, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about.


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Okay, after attempting to decipher your comments in the other thread, I think I now understand what your problem is; you don't appear to understand why the USHCN records were adjusted and what the methodology was behind them. Further, you question the results.

Okay, fine.

Read this and follow the link wherein.
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012/a-surprising-validation-of-ushcn-adjustments/

The adjustment was made to account for for methodology changes in station reporting. Just as a wild example, the difference between one standard where the temperature was normally taken and reported in the evening versus the morning. I think it should be obvious why that's a big deal to get everyone on the same page.

The second thing is figuring out if you got that adjustment correct. The link I just posted seems to confirm that quite well and especially since they didn't set out to.

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[davjohns 1]

I'm afraid this issue has become so political and tied up with money that I find all 'scientific evidence' suspect. NOAA receives government funding. Politics and money. Suspect.

Sorry. I'm agnostic on this issue. I see evidence for whatever way you want to go. But then, that's why it is dealt with in SC.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Sure. You're not going to like it though, so why bother?

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/USHCN-adjustments.png

Wow. I mean, certainly you did put up an explanation that is reasonable. But I still can say that the adjusted versus raw graph is pretty damned hockey stickish. I'm interested in seeing the raw v adjusted through 2012.

Thank you for seeing my point, though. I didn't know the link didn't work.

My wife is hotter than your wife.