Obama pondering using executive decision on gun control

[kallend 2,118]

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[champu 1]

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According to Biden, he stated that we need a 'common sense approach' to the gun issue. I don't see 'common sense' in Obama's approach. Even the husband of Congresswoman Gifford stated that he and his wife are gun owners and that we need a common sense approach to the gun issue. I whole-heartedly agree with Gifford's thinking but common sense/politicians is an oxy-moron. We have to get away from knee-jerk reactions.

In my books, the common sense is that NOBODY needs to have a gun. Not an assault weapon, a rifle, nor a pistol! Law enforcement, yes, military, yes.

That's about it. That's COMMON sense.

Unfortunately, "common sense" just means "anything I believe that I wished everyone else believed too, without me having to convince them."

The stance presented here is an important one for gun rights advocates to understand though. There are people who, no matter how much violence or crime there is out there, all the way from "none" to "what you would think the US was like from watching television news," will always choose not to own a gun. So it doesn't matter to them what ratio of firearms are in the hands of law-abiding people : in the hands of criminals. It also doesn't matter to them how any new law introduced affects that balance for better or for worse; they want less guns period. (so don't expect arguments about criminals not obeying any new gun restrictions to be heard or appreciated.)

They are not saying, however, that they think guns themselves are evil or that guns are responsible for violence by themselves, they are simply saying that by their own choice, they know that their only possible interaction with a firearm will be at the disadventagous end of it. So given a steadfast choice not to own firearms, the rational, selfish choice is to eliminate as many firearms as possible. (so don't expect arguments about guns simply being tools to be heard or appreciated.)

So my argument (which I hope would at least be heard, if not appreciated) is that Pandora's box is open and there are firearms out there. The initial choice not to own a firearm is a personal one and you need to understand that not everyone is necessarily in your position to make that same choice. If you can understand that, then you can understand that your viewpoint that any firearm qty reduction is a good thing isn't nearly as altruistic as you make it out to be.

[billvon 3,090]

>And the reason the guard was called out to Kent State was......

Some students just need killin'.

[Bignugget 0]

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Why, right now we know that mass shootings are caused by gun-crazed crazy white boys. Take away the guns and the crazy goes away.

I think you are confused.

Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun.

THAT'S the idea. No one is suggesting taking guns away from crazy people makes them less crazy.....just less armed.

ETA: Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit. Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

[billvon 3,090]

>So the riots, broken windows, and the ROTC building being set on fire had nothing to so with it?

Clearly not; the soldiers were walking away from the students when they turned and fired. They just needed them some killin' before they left.

[rushmc 23]

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Why, right now we know that mass shootings are caused by gun-crazed crazy white boys. Take away the guns and the crazy goes away.

I think you are confused.

Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun.

THAT'S the idea. No one is suggesting taking guns away from crazy people makes them less crazy.....just less armed.

ETA: Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit. Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

So

You advocate taking away protection from those who are crazy

Hey

Are you nuts?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun

Just like we take away drugs. Why not just call your proposal, "let's create a black market?"

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Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit

Rights? Fuck em. Some get them. Some don't. Tough shit! Sure, sometimes innocent people get fried. Welcome to the big boy world.

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Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

Ever notice how frequently people write this when they are bitching about a circumstance that is not to their liking?

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You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military???

Ah! Suspend posse comitatus while we're at it. That way we won't look at all like a military dictatorship.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Bignugget 0]

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Why, right now we know that mass shootings are caused by gun-crazed crazy white boys. Take away the guns and the crazy goes away.

I think you are confused.

Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun.

THAT'S the idea. No one is suggesting taking guns away from crazy people makes them less crazy.....just less armed.

ETA: Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit. Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

So

You advocate taking away protection from those who are crazy

Hey

Are you nuts?

Not sure where I said that.....

I didn't advocate anything, but I will advocate taking away guns, from everyone.

I think there should be only as many guns as the mexicans, and canadians can smuggle into this country illegally.

Just like drugs, im comfortable with the supply being restricted to what some clever foreigners can think of, instead of what some minimum wage walmart guy can sell you.

Sure some drugs are made here, but it will be a lot harder to make guns in your trailer to sell on the black market, so I am all for it.

[Bignugget 0]

Yea man, they say that, because it's true. Life is not always fair, you might be a good kid who doesn't eat the paste but guess what....Timmy eats the fckin paste all the time and so now, no one gets paste, you can stick you snowflakes on your construction paper with spit. That's life.

There is no cure for stupidity and poor breeding that is socially acceptable....

SO society makes rules and regulations to try and keep the stupid people from fucking everyone else's life up. Of course the non-stupid people are penalized and required to operate at the level of retardation that the lowest common denominator has landed us. Again, such is life.

I am all for IQ tests and required income and education levels before we let people breed. That would start us out on the right path. Once we breed out the stupidity guns won't be such a problem. There was another guy in history who had some great ideas on breeding traits out of populations....I wish I could think of his name but it escapes me right now.

Either way I don't think you (or me) or Bob down the road having his .22 pistol is really what's deterring Obama from issuing a bunch of Stalin style laws unilaterally, so I find it funny when people use that as a reason they need guns.

[lawrocket 3]

And that's a double edged sword. People have a right to guns. That means that sometimes people we don't want to have guns have guns. Sometimes you're blown away. Hey, that happens. There usually isn't much you can do about being the first or even the second oneshot. But maybe you can avoid there being a third, fifth or tenth.

The same logic applies the other way. I gues I'd rather have interpersonal injustice and a government to ask for redress of grievance than governmental injustice. With the latter, who do you petition for redress?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Bignugget 0]

"people" don't have a right to guns. Americans have a right to guns. The vast majority of "people" do not.

People all suffer from the fact that life isn't fair though.

The rest I agree with.

How has petitioning the government for redress worked out for you?

For me pretty shitty, I haven't seen any of my awesome ideas listened to. But I have seen on multiple occasions my drunk ass neighbors outside shooting their guns off.

So that is where we part ways on what we would like to see I think.

[champu 1]

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It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

There are a lot of reasons before the presense of guns amongst the populace that the US military is not attacking the people of the US, but insurgencies like the Taliban in Afghanistan and the rebel forces in Syria fighting against Assad even as you wrote that kinda make you sound like an ass.

[Bignugget 0]

I guess we just see America differently.

I don't see the USA as a potential Syria, or Afghanistan, or 1930's Germany.

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But even to my original comment, do you think the rebels guns they had are what kept them in the fight this long?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/04/syria-rebels-arms-drying-up

I don't think the fact that they had guns stopped Assad from clamping down and starting them on their rebellion, and I don't think the guns they had will carry them through 2 years of rebellion.

He didn't sit down and say "wow, these cats are pretty heavily armed, if I piss them off too badly they may take over"....and then when he did piss them off badly enough, he said, "shit, these cats are pissed, army, air force, attack their punk asses"......the guns they possess doesn't factor in.

[Bolas 5]

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There is no cure for stupidity and poor breeding that is socially acceptable....

SO society makes rules and regulations to try and keep the stupid people from fucking everyone else's life up. Of course the non-stupid people are penalized and required to operate at the level of retardation that the lowest common denominator has landed us. Again, such is life.

"If you idiot proof something, they'll just make a better idiot."

The lowest common denominator will just keep getting lower.

My sigline contains the answer.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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[davjohns 1]

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I didn't advocate anything, but I will advocate taking away guns, from everyone.

I think there should be only as many guns as the mexicans, and canadians can smuggle into this country illegally.

Just like drugs, im comfortable with the supply being restricted to what some clever foreigners can think of, instead of what some minimum wage walmart guy can sell you.

Sure some drugs are made here, but it will be a lot harder to make guns in your trailer to sell on the black market, so I am all for it.

Wow. Just wow. You just made it clear that only criminals should have guns. Wow.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Bignugget 0]

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I didn't advocate anything, but I will advocate taking away guns, from everyone.

I think there should be only as many guns as the mexicans, and canadians can smuggle into this country illegally.

Just like drugs, im comfortable with the supply being restricted to what some clever foreigners can think of, instead of what some minimum wage walmart guy can sell you.

Sure some drugs are made here, but it will be a lot harder to make guns in your trailer to sell on the black market, so I am all for it.

Wow. Just wow. You just made it clear that only criminals should have guns. Wow.

And police, military, and other members of government whose job function deems carrying a firearm necessary.

But otherwise yea, just the people who are buying them illegally on the black market, sounds good to me.

[rushmc 23]

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Why, right now we know that mass shootings are caused by gun-crazed crazy white boys. Take away the guns and the crazy goes away.

I think you are confused.

Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun.

THAT'S the idea. No one is suggesting taking guns away from crazy people makes them less crazy.....just less armed.

ETA: Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit. Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

So

You advocate taking away protection from those who are crazy

Hey

Are you nuts?

Not sure where I said that.....

I didn't advocate anything, but I will advocate taking away guns, from everyone.

I think there should be only as many guns as the mexicans, and canadians can smuggle into this country illegally.

Just like drugs, im comfortable with the supply being restricted to what some clever foreigners can think of, instead of what some minimum wage walmart guy can sell you.

Sure some drugs are made here, but it will be a lot harder to make guns in your trailer to sell on the black market, so I am all for it.

So, if that is your stance, start a drive to amend the Constitution, OK?

Oh, wait

That is too hard

I bet you can find an AG or President and a fuck nugget judge to rule as you like

Screw the Constitution

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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"people" don't have a right to guns. Americans have a right to guns. The vast majority of "people" do not.

People all suffer from the fact that life isn't fair though.

The rest I agree with.

How has petitioning the government for redress worked out for you?

For me pretty shitty, I haven't seen any of my awesome ideas listened to. But I have seen on multiple occasions my drunk ass neighbors outside shooting their guns off.

So that is where we part ways on what we would like to see I think.

This is because your ideas are only awesome in your own mind
Eveyone else thinks they suck

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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I don't see the USA as a potential Syria, or Afghanistan, or 1930's Germany.

Syria, Afghanistan and 1920's German didn't see themselves as potentially what they would become, either.

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[skypuppy 1]

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Why, right now we know that mass shootings are caused by gun-crazed crazy white boys. Take away the guns and the crazy goes away.

I think you are confused.

Take away the gun, and the crazy has no gun.

THAT'S the idea. No one is suggesting taking guns away from crazy people makes them less crazy.....just less armed.

ETA: Some less crazy, or non-crazy people will also lose their right to have a gun, tough shit. Welcome to being a grown up and not getting everything you want.

It is also comical to hear that we "need" guns to prevent another Stalin or Hitler from taking over.

You people really think your handguns and semi-auto ar-15s that "aren't even assault weapons" can defeat the US military??? You think they are NOT attacking you now because you have guns???? Honestly???? That is pure comedy to me.

hmmm. a lot of vietnamese guerrillas seemed to do pretty well against the us military for years with pretty much just those tools. And some natives in afganistan and pakistan haven't done badly either. Sure, they might have some sams, but if the shit went down, and armed groups of citizens in the us were able to hold off the gov't for a few days, them I'm sure they'd be able to start finding some missiles and other weapons through unofficial channels as well.

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[champu 1]

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I guess we just see America differently.

I don't see the USA as a potential Syria, or Afghanistan, or 1930's Germany.

If that's one of the assumptions upon which your thoughts on gun control are based, then recognize you'll be up against differences of opinion. I don't think, by the way, the majority of people that would argue this point with you think that any such situation in America is imminent.

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But even to my original comment, do you think the rebels guns they had are what kept them in the fight this long?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/04/syria-rebels-arms-drying-up

I don't think the fact that they had guns stopped Assad from clamping down and starting them on their rebellion, and I don't think the guns they had will carry them through 2 years of rebellion.

What's happening in Syria is a pretty decent analog to what would happen if the US government turned on its populace and an insurgency resulted. There are quite a lot more people and firearms and quite a bit more land in the US. On the other hand, the US military is a bit more practiced at dealing with insurgencies than the Syrian military, so it's hard to guess how things would pan out exactly.

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He didn't sit down and say "wow, these cats are pretty heavily armed, if I piss them off too badly they may take over"....and then when he did piss them off badly enough, he said, "shit, these cats are pissed, army, air force, attack their punk asses"......the guns they possess doesn't factor in.

The guns possessed by the populace may or may not factor into a power-drunk leader's decisions. Having to remain resourceful and having a long and difficult battle of attrition beats rolling over and dying though, imho.

[jclalor 12]

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I said it in September to my wife and friends, and I believe it now.

Do you always say things to your wife and friends that you don't believe ?

[cvfd1399 0]

In the words of kallend....yawn

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>So the riots, broken windows, and the ROTC building being set on fire had nothing to so with it?

Clearly not; the soldiers were walking away from the students when they turned and fired. They just needed them some killin' before they left.

The National Guard was called out to Kent State for the reasons I mentioned. Not because 'some students needed killin'

IAGO you are right. That was the reason but what was the motivation for the students to take over the building. Taking over a building meant, you simply stayed there after class was over and many profs participated. Yes some bottles were thrown but they called in troops to shoot students. Neil Young was so frigin enraged about this he wrote the song. Why did the students do it, because they had balls to go up against a corrupt gov't that were needlessly killing our young men and women in a war that made no sense whatsoever.

Try thowing gasoline or take over a building today during a protest and You'll get 30 years. You basically not allowed to protest.

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Would you really call throwing gasoline and burning down a builing protewt

I wouldn't. Neither would the owner of said building.

There was no building that burned down at Kent State. I was refering generally to the time of the Viet Nam war protests. I think perhap only a few Molatov cocktails were thrown. Very passionate time where citizens of the US were upset with government action. Now no one really gives a crap.

Burning tires are also another act used by protesters, Including rolling cop cars and breaking glass.

Here is info on the Malatov.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail
I'd not recommend any of this for any form of protest.