rushmc 23 #1 January 4, 2013 After all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256972/Middle-earners-hit-hardest-revealed-workers-making-30-000-bigger-hit-earning-500-000-new-fiscal-deal.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #2 January 4, 2013 QuoteAfter all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal Average change in after tax income (% and dollars) by bracket: 20 - 30k, -1.3 ($153) 30 - 40k, -1.4% ($297) 200 - 500K, -1.3% ($2711) 500 - 1000k, -3.1% ($14812) The headline is not supported by the article.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteAfter all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal Average change in after tax income (% and dollars) by bracket: 20 - 30k, -1.3 ($153) 30 - 40k, -1.4% ($297) 200 - 500K, -1.3% ($2711) 500 - 1000k, -3.1% ($14812) The headline is not supported by the article. Maybe But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) The real money is in the middle class And in the end it is about money and power for the gov, not who is paying Who is paying is the distraction used to push the bs"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #4 January 4, 2013 Quote(notice I said gov and not Obama) You might want to double check the title of your thread.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuote(notice I said gov and not Obama) You might want to double check the title of your thread. He is just the one publicly pushing it right now He is not alone in his desire however"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuote(notice I said gov and not Obama) You might want to double check the title of your thread. MaybeRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #7 January 4, 2013 QuoteAfter all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal Are you griping about the shitty deal that the teascumlicans forced Congress into, or are you gloating about the shitty deal the teascumlicans forced Congress into? I expect that you are gloating, given your posting history. You are blaming Obama for the shitty deal forced upon the reasonable majority by the psycho teapublican faction of the Rescumlican party. Failure to understand how Congress and the Executive branch interact can cause one to believe things that are patently false. In case you failed the fact checking part of the matter, the Executive branch wanted the ShrubCo tax cuts to expire for incomes over 250,000. The teascumlicans managed to totally fuck up the whole process by failing to compromise. The other critical part of the fact checking is that the "budget deficit" is of ZERO concern to the GOP when that are in power. Witness the dual wars, hidden off the books, along with HUGE tax cuts at the same time. A better recipe for the events of 2007-2009 could not be written. You can't engage in two wars, hide the costs, and give huge tax cuts all at the same time, without seriously fucking things up. What part of recent history can you not comprehend? The current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, in spite of pleasant sounding rhetoric. The Democratic party is, slightly, on the side of the average American, as long as it does not disrupt the flow of money. The real issue is the fact that each member of congress has to raise about $25,000 PER DAY to have a realistic shot at winning reelection. That kind of money does not come from average citizens. It comes from wealthy special interests that expect performance for the money, and get it. The system is totally broken. It all comes back to the cancwer of MONEY in politics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #8 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteAfter all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal Are you griping about the shitty deal that the teascumlicans forced Congress into, or are you gloating about the shitty deal the teascumlicans forced Congress into? I expect that you are gloating, given your posting history. You are blaming Obama for the shitty deal forced upon the reasonable majority by the psycho teapublican faction of the Rescumlican party. Failure to understand how Congress and the Executive branch interact can cause one to believe things that are patently false. In case you failed the fact checking part of the matter, the Executive branch wanted the ShrubCo tax cuts to expire for incomes over 250,000. The teascumlicans managed to totally fuck up the whole process by failing to compromise. The other critical part of the fact checking is that the "budget deficit" is of ZERO concern to the GOP when that are in power. Witness the dual wars, hidden off the books, along with HUGE tax cuts at the same time. A better recipe for the events of 2007-2009 could not be written. You can't engage in two wars, hide the costs, and give huge tax cuts all at the same time, without seriously fucking things up. What part of recent history can you not comprehend? The current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, in spite of pleasant sounding rhetoric. The Democratic party is, slightly, on the side of the average American, as long as it does not disrupt the flow of money. The real issue is the fact that each member of congress has to raise about $25,000 PER DAY to have a realistic shot at winning reelection. That kind of money does not come from average citizens. It comes from wealthy special interests that expect performance for the money, and get it. The system is totally broken. It all comes back to the cancwer of MONEY in politics. Hey Amazon! How you doing?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #9 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, and here I thought you were just a partisan lackey with an offensive communication style and this refreshing bit comes up the morning is full of pleasant surprises I'll buy the next round ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites regulator 0 #10 January 4, 2013 I can understand calling names from time to time to get your point across. But the amount of times you like to rename the tea party and republicans illustrates your true age. I would say around 9 since kids at that age cant express themselves without calling names. Now go do your homework and STFU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #11 January 4, 2013 Quote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #12 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #13 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Why do you hate old people?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #14 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Again Your mind reading machine is broken or you are dishonst I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #15 January 4, 2013 Quote I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs This. We could probably double the or even triple the monthly checks if we let the SS money that comes in fund just SS. But that is WAY too much logic for the government to use at one time. Too many lobbyists, congressmen, and senators would be under funded and unable to live on their kickbacks. Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest bearing account?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #16 January 4, 2013 >Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #17 January 4, 2013 Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off a debt at a lower rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #18 January 4, 2013 >Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off >a debt at a lower rate. Also agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. absolutely - So were the Bush Tax Cuts, but look at the brew-ha-ha around that particular topic. Wasn't there something in the news about that lately? as for the payroll tax holiday itself - still we see the outrage from the working people for both dems and reps and (the third group of people with sense). They kinda snuck that one in there, didn't they? Surprised a lot of partisan wackos all over the country too. I think it's neat - the government can simultaneously claim they raised and maintained (or lowered under funny gov math rules) taxes on everyone. It's more fun to say they raised and lowered taxes simultaneously. everyone's a winner!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #20 January 4, 2013 But lasted 11 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #21 January 4, 2013 I can't read that garbage you posted, can you try again without the amazon filter enabled? Also where is amazon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #22 January 4, 2013 Quote>Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. I see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 January 4, 2013 QuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #24 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole I see. So then it is actually NOT better to pay off loans, it is better to pretend that money grows on trees and and in fields, while we give the money that is supposed to pay the loans off to people that just think they need it. Got it. Wow - Maybe it is good to be a liberal. All the financial entitlement gain and feel good shit, with none of the responsibility and accountability that reality throws in the face of a conservative. Sweet.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #25 January 4, 2013 QuoteBut lasted 11 years. Did NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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rushmc 23 #8 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteAfter all The middle class is where the real money (the gov thinks is theirs) really is QuoteWorkers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under new fiscal deal Are you griping about the shitty deal that the teascumlicans forced Congress into, or are you gloating about the shitty deal the teascumlicans forced Congress into? I expect that you are gloating, given your posting history. You are blaming Obama for the shitty deal forced upon the reasonable majority by the psycho teapublican faction of the Rescumlican party. Failure to understand how Congress and the Executive branch interact can cause one to believe things that are patently false. In case you failed the fact checking part of the matter, the Executive branch wanted the ShrubCo tax cuts to expire for incomes over 250,000. The teascumlicans managed to totally fuck up the whole process by failing to compromise. The other critical part of the fact checking is that the "budget deficit" is of ZERO concern to the GOP when that are in power. Witness the dual wars, hidden off the books, along with HUGE tax cuts at the same time. A better recipe for the events of 2007-2009 could not be written. You can't engage in two wars, hide the costs, and give huge tax cuts all at the same time, without seriously fucking things up. What part of recent history can you not comprehend? The current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, in spite of pleasant sounding rhetoric. The Democratic party is, slightly, on the side of the average American, as long as it does not disrupt the flow of money. The real issue is the fact that each member of congress has to raise about $25,000 PER DAY to have a realistic shot at winning reelection. That kind of money does not come from average citizens. It comes from wealthy special interests that expect performance for the money, and get it. The system is totally broken. It all comes back to the cancwer of MONEY in politics. Hey Amazon! How you doing?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #9 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, and here I thought you were just a partisan lackey with an offensive communication style and this refreshing bit comes up the morning is full of pleasant surprises I'll buy the next round ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites regulator 0 #10 January 4, 2013 I can understand calling names from time to time to get your point across. But the amount of times you like to rename the tea party and republicans illustrates your true age. I would say around 9 since kids at that age cant express themselves without calling names. Now go do your homework and STFU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #11 January 4, 2013 Quote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #12 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #13 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Why do you hate old people?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #14 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Again Your mind reading machine is broken or you are dishonst I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #15 January 4, 2013 Quote I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs This. We could probably double the or even triple the monthly checks if we let the SS money that comes in fund just SS. But that is WAY too much logic for the government to use at one time. Too many lobbyists, congressmen, and senators would be under funded and unable to live on their kickbacks. Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest bearing account?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #16 January 4, 2013 >Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #17 January 4, 2013 Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off a debt at a lower rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #18 January 4, 2013 >Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off >a debt at a lower rate. Also agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. absolutely - So were the Bush Tax Cuts, but look at the brew-ha-ha around that particular topic. Wasn't there something in the news about that lately? as for the payroll tax holiday itself - still we see the outrage from the working people for both dems and reps and (the third group of people with sense). They kinda snuck that one in there, didn't they? Surprised a lot of partisan wackos all over the country too. I think it's neat - the government can simultaneously claim they raised and maintained (or lowered under funny gov math rules) taxes on everyone. It's more fun to say they raised and lowered taxes simultaneously. everyone's a winner!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #20 January 4, 2013 But lasted 11 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #21 January 4, 2013 I can't read that garbage you posted, can you try again without the amazon filter enabled? Also where is amazon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #22 January 4, 2013 Quote>Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. I see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 January 4, 2013 QuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #24 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole I see. So then it is actually NOT better to pay off loans, it is better to pretend that money grows on trees and and in fields, while we give the money that is supposed to pay the loans off to people that just think they need it. Got it. Wow - Maybe it is good to be a liberal. All the financial entitlement gain and feel good shit, with none of the responsibility and accountability that reality throws in the face of a conservative. Sweet.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #25 January 4, 2013 QuoteBut lasted 11 years. Did NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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rehmwa 2 #9 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe current GOP is 100% under the control of the extremely wealthy. The Democratic party is in much the same place, and here I thought you were just a partisan lackey with an offensive communication style and this refreshing bit comes up the morning is full of pleasant surprises I'll buy the next round ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #10 January 4, 2013 I can understand calling names from time to time to get your point across. But the amount of times you like to rename the tea party and republicans illustrates your true age. I would say around 9 since kids at that age cant express themselves without calling names. Now go do your homework and STFU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #11 January 4, 2013 Quote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #13 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Why do you hate old people?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But the point is the middle class is getting a tax increase despite the lies of the Gov (notice I said gov and not Obama) T The payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. You want bigger government I dont It is that simple The best times the US has had is when gov spent less than 2% of GDP 4 out of the 5 of these were when Democrates had the White House You want Social Security to be insolvent? I don't. Again Your mind reading machine is broken or you are dishonst I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 January 4, 2013 Quote I want SS money to stay in SS and not fund other gov pet programs This. We could probably double the or even triple the monthly checks if we let the SS money that comes in fund just SS. But that is WAY too much logic for the government to use at one time. Too many lobbyists, congressmen, and senators would be under funded and unable to live on their kickbacks. Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest bearing account?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #16 January 4, 2013 >Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 January 4, 2013 Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off a debt at a lower rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #18 January 4, 2013 >Agreed. But it's not a good idea to borrow money at a higher interest rate to pay off >a debt at a lower rate. Also agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 January 4, 2013 QuoteThe payroll tax HOLIDAY was never intended to be permanent. absolutely - So were the Bush Tax Cuts, but look at the brew-ha-ha around that particular topic. Wasn't there something in the news about that lately? as for the payroll tax holiday itself - still we see the outrage from the working people for both dems and reps and (the third group of people with sense). They kinda snuck that one in there, didn't they? Surprised a lot of partisan wackos all over the country too. I think it's neat - the government can simultaneously claim they raised and maintained (or lowered under funny gov math rules) taxes on everyone. It's more fun to say they raised and lowered taxes simultaneously. everyone's a winner!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #20 January 4, 2013 But lasted 11 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #21 January 4, 2013 I can't read that garbage you posted, can you try again without the amazon filter enabled? Also where is amazon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #22 January 4, 2013 Quote>Still . . . What ever would happen if, (gasp) instead of spending the money on special >interest groups, wouldn't it be better if the money was invested or left in an interest >bearing account? Because it is always better to pay off a loan accruing interest than invest the same money in an interest bearing account. To use consumer terms, it's better to pay off your credit cards than have a big credit card balance but a lot of money in a savings account. I see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 January 4, 2013 QuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 January 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteI see - so . . . why do we keep electing presidents that strive to raise the debt ceiling? we all vote for free stuff for us - and it's a zero sum game - so the faceless entity gets to keep going deeper in the hole I see. So then it is actually NOT better to pay off loans, it is better to pretend that money grows on trees and and in fields, while we give the money that is supposed to pay the loans off to people that just think they need it. Got it. Wow - Maybe it is good to be a liberal. All the financial entitlement gain and feel good shit, with none of the responsibility and accountability that reality throws in the face of a conservative. Sweet.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #25 January 4, 2013 QuoteBut lasted 11 years. Did NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
