Wayne LaPierre demands gun laws like Israel's

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Once again, he fails to grasp reality.



http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/hendrikhertzberg/2012/12/a-program-like-they-have-in-israel.html

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Wayne is a fuckin' nut case.

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I agree that there are many quotes from Wayne that could have been MUCH Better. But if dealing with fucking NUTCASES like feinstein; Perhaps you have to send an idiot to DEAL with another fucking idiot.

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“We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism,” said Palmor.

Let me help your reality...just a little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre

Call it an act of terror, whatever label you're comfortable with, the results were the same. And the proposal is similar. Out of touch with reality?...I'd say yes...you are.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,473]

Hi Chris,

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he fails to grasp reality.

In the infamous words of MJOSPARKY: He has not seen the football since kickoff.



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***“We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism,” said Palmor.

Let me help your reality...just a little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre

Call it an act of terror, whatever label you're comfortable with, the results were the same. And the proposal is similar. Out of touch with reality?...I'd say yes...you are.

Perhaps you should listen to what The Israeli's have to say about LaPierre's statements,and they just may know a thing or two on the subject.

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LaPierre echoes a number of commentators who oppose gun restrictions and cite Israel as an ideal example. The argument goes like this: Israel has lots of guns and lower rates of gun violence, so clearly the problem with America is not our guns but something else.
The only problem is that Israel actually has quite strong gun restrictions and very low gun ownership rates, some of the lowest in the developed world. This confusion has gotten so bad that even Israeli government officials are now chiming in to knock back the claims, though the NRA is seen as a close ally of the U.S. Republican party, which positions itself as strongly backing Israel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/28/israeli-gun-laws-are-much-stricter-than-some-u-s-gun-advocates-suggest/

[airdvr 210]

I gave you 2 examples of school shootings in Israel. Palmor perhaps hasn't seen the football.

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I think all school staff should have the option of carrying concealed if they have proper training and a permit. I do not think compelling each school to hire armed guards is a good solution. Our children face enough dangers without being surrounded by armed, window-licking, minimum wage mall cops, and we all know that's what they'd get.

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[airdvr 210]

Agreed. I want trained pros, not Paul Bart.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but a single armed security guard will not stop someone who has done their homework. First if the security is in uniform the possible killer will just sit near the school in the woods if he has to and learn the routes and timings of the security guard, then choose the best time to go in and take him out first before he goes on his killing spree.

If the person is not in uniform, it gets a little more trickier, but if the person went to that school he already knows who is a teacher/janitor etc. I graduated in 1999, and I still go to the school for work related reasons, and basically nothing has changed. In the day of facebook and that job related site everyone puts all their info on you can just research and find out who is who. Also any possible security guard will probbaly be an off duty officer who around here at least drives their marked unit to paid details.

It would take a highly trained team of specialists to really lock down a school, and that would include a completely fenced and monitored perimeter with one way in and out of the school. Multiple guards stationed at the entrance door, and metal detector search everyone. You would have to escort the visitors the whole time they are on the premises. Sounds like jail, and really expensive.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

One would almost start to think that spending money on preventative options might be better than spending money on guns.

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Have you ever seen the movie snatch with Brad Pitt? Do you remember a scene where sol and vinny tried to rob a bookie? The person on the inside pressed a button and within a half a millisecond a barrier was raised that caught sol between it? What about that? Here is the situation: Someone brings a gun to school, and starts shooting. With security cameras the pricipal decides there is a emergency situation and hits the panic button which almost instantly raises and it brings a protective barrier between each class and the shooter. Now that obviously wouldnt help if a portion of the kids were at lunch together, but it could at least seperate some of the victims from the shooter. Then with ONE amed security guard, he would have a better chance. Your thoughts?

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Also having a laser type motion detector ON the doors themselves to prevent students from being trapped in the doors if they happen to be walking through the doorway when the button is pushed.

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True. I was listening to a program. The guy that shot up Fort Hood did his homework and made sure he was in an area where weapons were banned. So did the Aurora theater guy. There were something like 7 theaters in the area showing the batman movie that evening. Only 1 theater banned firearms. Guess where he went.

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[GeorgiaDon 385]

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With security cameras the pricipal decides there is a emergency situation and hits the panic button which almost instantly raises and it brings a protective barrier between each class and the shooter...

I'm visualizing a setup like the hallway at the start of each episode of Get Smart.

Wouldn't it be cooler to arm the principal with a Star Trek phaser?

Don

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At least I tried to come up with a solution that wasnt directly involving guns. However, all I got from you was sarchasm and snide comments.

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Oops sorry, I didn't realize you were being serious.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to retrofit every school in America with blast doors that come up out of the floor between every classroom? Recall that Lanza overcame the barrier that was supposed to keep him out just by shooting it, so to be effective any barricade would have to able to withstand the most powerful armor-piercing ammo potentially available to a shooter. Anything less would be an abject failure to protect our kids, not to mention a magnet for $100 million lawsuits.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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Yet someone decided to sue the Newtown school district for 100 million before retracting it. I often hear about how much it would be to place armed guards in the schools and how the government is hell bent on taking away citizens guns...if just half of the money spent on trying to take away guns was devoted to new ideas like this maybe that could lessen the number of kids killed when the next nutjob goes crazy. And by the way...Adam Lanza shot out a WINDOW. Not a blast door.

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Yet someone decided to sue the Newtown school district for 100 million before retracting it. I often hear about how much it would be to place armed guards in the schools and how the government is hell bent on taking away citizens guns...if just half of the money spent on trying to take away guns was devoted to new ideas like this maybe that could lessen the number of kids killed when the next nutjob goes crazy. And by the way...Adam Lanza shot out a WINDOW. Not a blast door.

I am not aware that any SERIOUS effort is underway in government to confiscate guns.

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