Skyrad 0 #1 December 29, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins9VAo-xLY Was the initial decision to shoot justified, quite possibly but what followed was unbelievable. If this is the quality f policing in that area pretty f'king scary. Anonymous are now demanding the shooter is sacked or they'll target the PD. http://rt.com/usa/news/anonymous-police-department-video-032/When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 December 29, 2012 I'm no fan of cops. However, once deadly force is justified, deadly force is justified. A single shot is deadly force. 20 shots are deadly force. And you keep shooting until the target is neutralized. WHat happened afterward? I'm not sure what you mean? Handcuffing a dead guy? Searching him? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 December 29, 2012 Just one more reason why we have the 2nd Amendment. It's not just about hunting deer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #4 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm no fan of cops. However, once deadly force is justified, deadly force is justified. A single shot is deadly force. 20 shots are deadly force. And you keep shooting until the target is neutralized. WHat happened afterward? I'm not sure what you mean? Handcuffing a dead guy? Searching him? When a cop tells you hands up and you turn and reach into a vehicle, all bets are off. I think what people are reacting to is that there was no immediate first aid or any call for rescue until a later arriving cop asked (four minutes after the shooting) if it had been requested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 December 29, 2012 Precisely. I don't have a problem with the decision to open fire, he was given a very clear warning of the consequences of not complying with the instruction. His actions were ambiguous and easily construed as hostile. As for the number of shots, looked like overkill but there again he was using deadly force with the intent to stop the target. The problem for me starts after this point, the macho posturing and standing around like a spare dick at a wedding pointing the firearm while the man either bled out unconscious or lay their dead. Then handcuffing him instead of giving first aid, either he was alive in which case they should have administered first aid (however unlikely it was that it would save him) or if he was dead then WTF were they handcuffing a corpse for? The cops at this point just looked like they were searching for justification of the decision to open fire, more concerned about rapidly searching the body than anything else. I doubt that they could have saved the man but we'll never know. Still there was a serious lack of professionalism.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 407 #6 December 29, 2012 QuoteJust one more reason why we have the 2nd Amendment. It's not just about hunting deer.What does that mean? Are you suggesting he should have used a gun against the cop? How could this be made better by putting more guns in the mix? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 December 29, 2012 Didn't look like that to me.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 December 29, 2012 Well shit happens. But he wasn't shot for getting his foot stuck in the belt but for turning around and reaching in to the bakkie after having been told to keep still or he would be shot.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #9 December 29, 2012 As the uneducated runneth a muck..... After initially shooting the guy a hysterical woman ran to the vehicle, so obviously they had to deal with a woman that could have been going for whatever weapon may have been in the vehicle. And after she was cleared they still had to ensure that they were not under threat before they helped him. And everyone saying they "cuffed a dead guy", duh......thats what you do. Once someone has been deemed to be a threat they don't get any sort of aid until you have ascertained that they are no longer a threat in any way. You would be surprised at the people that have continued to put up a fight after being shot up. Keep a weapon on them while you search them regardless of their status. These guys did nothing wrong, quit looking for excuses to burn them at the stake. And it is to be expected that the first cop to bring up calling for medics is the one that wasn't involved in the shooting. Killing someone is a once in a lifetime event for probably one out of every hundred police officers, the guy was still amped up and traumatized from the situation. You get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. Just to add, this isn't to a particular person Skyrad, just replying to the thread as a whole.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteJust one more reason why we have the 2nd Amendment. It's not just about hunting deer.What does that mean? Are you suggesting he should have used a gun against the cop? How could this be made better by putting more guns in the mix? Don You probably haven't noticed but we are living in an Orwellian Style Police State. "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 December 29, 2012 Yep.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 December 29, 2012 I agree with some of your points I guess its a case of different strokes for different folks.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #13 December 29, 2012 QuoteI agree with some of your points I guess its a case of different strokes for different folks. And believe me I can see your point completely, no argument there. I was just trying to add some personal experience into the mix. I've been in the situation where you see the body of someone you are engaging hit the ground and you get sucked in to it. The only thing going through your head is that guy and everything else around you is irrelevant for a moment. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition. given that this was probably his first time taking a life that officer likely hasn't had the repetition of a situation like that to make all the necessary calls in a quick manner. I am certain he would have gotten to it(calling medics) later down the line, but luckily there was another officer there with an outside viewpoint that got the ball rolling. As for his reason to open fire. He will forever be the only person that knows exactly what he saw the man reaching for. The camera angle masked a lot. although as others have mentioned he was told to put his hands up and rather than stay seated and put his hands out of the car while the officers did their job he chose to stand and make sudden moves. Overall may take would be that although there are learning points that could have made the situation better, given the fast-pace and intensity of the confrontation the officer did nothing intentionally wrong.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 December 29, 2012 I think that is the difference, I agree 100% with everything you said in your last post if the situation is in a military context. However in a civvy context of being a LEO the scenario changes after you've secured the scene. Thats a very big difference, having said that its a different ball game in the USA than in Europe I guess.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,219 #15 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #16 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman. Some kindergarten teachers are better equipped than others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #17 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman. The kindergarten teacher responded in a manner that had a positive impact on the situation you are 100% correct. Now I want to word this carefully because I feel that her bravery should be commended and people are still grieving from the tragedy, but if we look at her reaction closely I'm certain we could have found better courses of action for her to take. There is always a better course of action in hindsight, and that is the same in the situation with the officers, the unfortunate incident in Newtown, and my personal experiences that I mentioned above. Point being is nobody makes the 100% correct decision when the adrenaline is flowing, but in both the case of the officer, and that brave teacher I think they both should be commended for making good decisions under pressure. Armchair quarterbacking in most cases is the wrong answer. Now if those officers had decided to shoot the woman that came out screaming I would say that they went too far, but to ensure the safety of themselves and those around them prior to providing aid to someone who presented enough of a threat that deadly force became the option was the right call. Would you rather the officers immediately start whipping out band-aids and take a knife to the gut in the process because they failed to search him? Would also like to add another personal experience note. The longer a situation develops the more time you have to make a good decision. the officers were still in the immediate situation, while the teacher had time, albeit very little to take a second and absorb the entire situation as she made her calls. The longer the situation persists the better your reactions are. The fist minute or two of an engagement are terrifying, for anyone, and you are surviving on instinct. As soon as you have a split second, even amidst the chaos to take a breath and look at what is happening around you the proper decisions start coming to you. Again, I am taking nothing away from that brave teacher, just trying to put the scenarios into perspective, they are vastly different. Plus nobody can be trained to react to taking a life, it affects everyone differently and you don't know how it will hit you until it happens. Saving your own life, and in some cases protecting others is human instinct, but taking a life is not.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #18 December 29, 2012 QuoteThe officer reached in and cut the belt to get him out of the car. Hell of a reason to shoot someone. So the guy couldn't just exit out the driver's side? There's a lot here that is being conjured. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #19 December 30, 2012 QuoteErnest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. 1. He knew why the cops were after him 2. He saw a cop pull in behind him 3. He heard the cop yelling at him to stop and put his hands up 4. He exited his vehicle in such a rapid manner he got caught up in a seat belt, and denied all lawful commands. 5. He turned towards his waistband, or inside the vehicle. In a split second decision the items above was all that officer had to go on, and seemed like a justified shooting to me. You engage the target till the threat is gone. You do not stop till the scene is secure. He assumed a reactionary stance, and covered his target while scanning for others, and issued loud verbal commands to the other persons. Once the scene was secure he cuffed the suspect as per any departments SOG. He did his job. What if the cop did nothing and let the suspect run inside, and he killed his wife and kids, would you be saying the same thing about the officer? He perceived a threat and acted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #20 December 30, 2012 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4419240#4419240When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 December 30, 2012 Quote Ernest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. That explains why the cop clearly knew who he was dealing with as soon as he left his car.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 December 30, 2012 Its hard to imagine that the world is worse off without him thats for sure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #23 January 6, 2013 http://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #24 January 6, 2013 Quotehttp://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous That file must have been pretty big. I bailed before seeing it. What this about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #25 January 6, 2013 What I find annoying is stating your your wife is better looking than my wife. WTF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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winsor 236 #16 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman. Some kindergarten teachers are better equipped than others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #17 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman. The kindergarten teacher responded in a manner that had a positive impact on the situation you are 100% correct. Now I want to word this carefully because I feel that her bravery should be commended and people are still grieving from the tragedy, but if we look at her reaction closely I'm certain we could have found better courses of action for her to take. There is always a better course of action in hindsight, and that is the same in the situation with the officers, the unfortunate incident in Newtown, and my personal experiences that I mentioned above. Point being is nobody makes the 100% correct decision when the adrenaline is flowing, but in both the case of the officer, and that brave teacher I think they both should be commended for making good decisions under pressure. Armchair quarterbacking in most cases is the wrong answer. Now if those officers had decided to shoot the woman that came out screaming I would say that they went too far, but to ensure the safety of themselves and those around them prior to providing aid to someone who presented enough of a threat that deadly force became the option was the right call. Would you rather the officers immediately start whipping out band-aids and take a knife to the gut in the process because they failed to search him? Would also like to add another personal experience note. The longer a situation develops the more time you have to make a good decision. the officers were still in the immediate situation, while the teacher had time, albeit very little to take a second and absorb the entire situation as she made her calls. The longer the situation persists the better your reactions are. The fist minute or two of an engagement are terrifying, for anyone, and you are surviving on instinct. As soon as you have a split second, even amidst the chaos to take a breath and look at what is happening around you the proper decisions start coming to you. Again, I am taking nothing away from that brave teacher, just trying to put the scenarios into perspective, they are vastly different. Plus nobody can be trained to react to taking a life, it affects everyone differently and you don't know how it will hit you until it happens. Saving your own life, and in some cases protecting others is human instinct, but taking a life is not.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #18 December 29, 2012 QuoteThe officer reached in and cut the belt to get him out of the car. Hell of a reason to shoot someone. So the guy couldn't just exit out the driver's side? There's a lot here that is being conjured. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #19 December 30, 2012 QuoteErnest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. 1. He knew why the cops were after him 2. He saw a cop pull in behind him 3. He heard the cop yelling at him to stop and put his hands up 4. He exited his vehicle in such a rapid manner he got caught up in a seat belt, and denied all lawful commands. 5. He turned towards his waistband, or inside the vehicle. In a split second decision the items above was all that officer had to go on, and seemed like a justified shooting to me. You engage the target till the threat is gone. You do not stop till the scene is secure. He assumed a reactionary stance, and covered his target while scanning for others, and issued loud verbal commands to the other persons. Once the scene was secure he cuffed the suspect as per any departments SOG. He did his job. What if the cop did nothing and let the suspect run inside, and he killed his wife and kids, would you be saying the same thing about the officer? He perceived a threat and acted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #20 December 30, 2012 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4419240#4419240When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 December 30, 2012 Quote Ernest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. That explains why the cop clearly knew who he was dealing with as soon as he left his car.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 December 30, 2012 Its hard to imagine that the world is worse off without him thats for sure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #23 January 6, 2013 http://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #24 January 6, 2013 Quotehttp://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous That file must have been pretty big. I bailed before seeing it. What this about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #25 January 6, 2013 What I find annoying is stating your your wife is better looking than my wife. WTF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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GQ_jumper 4 #17 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteYou get "tunnel vision" when something like that happens. I've seen guys run straight through the middle of a room because they engaged a target across from them when there were other people to engage in the room. You get sucked into an intense situation like that, its overwhelming. I happened to make a near fatal mistake in an ambush one time where I stopped as I was running through the middle of the kill zone as we were being hit from our left side and moved to the side of the vehicles where all the fire was coming from. I saw a muzzle flash from a house and moved towards the house unloading through the window. When my senses finally kicked back in I realized I was standing in front of the armored vehicles that I should have been using for cover out in the open taking fire just so I could settle my beef with the people in the one house. You get overwhelmed very quickly and the only thing that gives you the ability to see the whole picture is repetition.. But, of course, a kindergarten teacher is perfectly equipped to deal with a crazed gunman. The kindergarten teacher responded in a manner that had a positive impact on the situation you are 100% correct. Now I want to word this carefully because I feel that her bravery should be commended and people are still grieving from the tragedy, but if we look at her reaction closely I'm certain we could have found better courses of action for her to take. There is always a better course of action in hindsight, and that is the same in the situation with the officers, the unfortunate incident in Newtown, and my personal experiences that I mentioned above. Point being is nobody makes the 100% correct decision when the adrenaline is flowing, but in both the case of the officer, and that brave teacher I think they both should be commended for making good decisions under pressure. Armchair quarterbacking in most cases is the wrong answer. Now if those officers had decided to shoot the woman that came out screaming I would say that they went too far, but to ensure the safety of themselves and those around them prior to providing aid to someone who presented enough of a threat that deadly force became the option was the right call. Would you rather the officers immediately start whipping out band-aids and take a knife to the gut in the process because they failed to search him? Would also like to add another personal experience note. The longer a situation develops the more time you have to make a good decision. the officers were still in the immediate situation, while the teacher had time, albeit very little to take a second and absorb the entire situation as she made her calls. The longer the situation persists the better your reactions are. The fist minute or two of an engagement are terrifying, for anyone, and you are surviving on instinct. As soon as you have a split second, even amidst the chaos to take a breath and look at what is happening around you the proper decisions start coming to you. Again, I am taking nothing away from that brave teacher, just trying to put the scenarios into perspective, they are vastly different. Plus nobody can be trained to react to taking a life, it affects everyone differently and you don't know how it will hit you until it happens. Saving your own life, and in some cases protecting others is human instinct, but taking a life is not.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #18 December 29, 2012 QuoteThe officer reached in and cut the belt to get him out of the car. Hell of a reason to shoot someone. So the guy couldn't just exit out the driver's side? There's a lot here that is being conjured. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #19 December 30, 2012 QuoteErnest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. 1. He knew why the cops were after him 2. He saw a cop pull in behind him 3. He heard the cop yelling at him to stop and put his hands up 4. He exited his vehicle in such a rapid manner he got caught up in a seat belt, and denied all lawful commands. 5. He turned towards his waistband, or inside the vehicle. In a split second decision the items above was all that officer had to go on, and seemed like a justified shooting to me. You engage the target till the threat is gone. You do not stop till the scene is secure. He assumed a reactionary stance, and covered his target while scanning for others, and issued loud verbal commands to the other persons. Once the scene was secure he cuffed the suspect as per any departments SOG. He did his job. What if the cop did nothing and let the suspect run inside, and he killed his wife and kids, would you be saying the same thing about the officer? He perceived a threat and acted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #20 December 30, 2012 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4419240#4419240When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 December 30, 2012 Quote Ernest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. That explains why the cop clearly knew who he was dealing with as soon as he left his car.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 December 30, 2012 Its hard to imagine that the world is worse off without him thats for sure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #23 January 6, 2013 http://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #24 January 6, 2013 Quotehttp://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous That file must have been pretty big. I bailed before seeing it. What this about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OHCHUTE 0 #25 January 6, 2013 What I find annoying is stating your your wife is better looking than my wife. WTF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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lawrocket 3 #18 December 29, 2012 QuoteThe officer reached in and cut the belt to get him out of the car. Hell of a reason to shoot someone. So the guy couldn't just exit out the driver's side? There's a lot here that is being conjured. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #19 December 30, 2012 QuoteErnest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. 1. He knew why the cops were after him 2. He saw a cop pull in behind him 3. He heard the cop yelling at him to stop and put his hands up 4. He exited his vehicle in such a rapid manner he got caught up in a seat belt, and denied all lawful commands. 5. He turned towards his waistband, or inside the vehicle. In a split second decision the items above was all that officer had to go on, and seemed like a justified shooting to me. You engage the target till the threat is gone. You do not stop till the scene is secure. He assumed a reactionary stance, and covered his target while scanning for others, and issued loud verbal commands to the other persons. Once the scene was secure he cuffed the suspect as per any departments SOG. He did his job. What if the cop did nothing and let the suspect run inside, and he killed his wife and kids, would you be saying the same thing about the officer? He perceived a threat and acted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 December 30, 2012 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4419240#4419240When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 December 30, 2012 Quote Ernest Duenez Jr., was a parolee-at-large, and was armed and dangerous after incidents earlier in the day. That explains why the cop clearly knew who he was dealing with as soon as he left his car.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 December 30, 2012 Its hard to imagine that the world is worse off without him thats for sure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #23 January 6, 2013 http://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #24 January 6, 2013 Quotehttp://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/duenez-protocol-1.pdf District attorney report showed the video in detail, perp had a knife in his hand as he came out of the truck. Also more details to why the cop was there that day and why the suspect was assumed to be armed and dangerous That file must have been pretty big. I bailed before seeing it. What this about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #25 January 6, 2013 What I find annoying is stating your your wife is better looking than my wife. WTF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
