lawrocket 3 #1 December 19, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/sales-soar-kid-themed-body-armor-backpacks-171359967.html Sales increasing. What I like is this: QuoteMaryann Martindale, executive director of Alliance for a Better Utah, told Fox 13, "Do we want to live in a society where we send our kids to school in Kevlar backpacks and arm our teachers?” I guess not, Ms. Martindale. Nope. Don't want to live in this society. Why don't you just kill the kids, instead. Yours is truly one of the most misanthropic and despicable comments I have read on the subject. To ask whether "we want to live?" Yes. We do. I want my children to live. That's the point of these things - to live. She chooses "die." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 December 19, 2012 As tragic as every school shooting is, the over reaction and fear it creates about it happening at YOUR child's school is simply ridiculous. Kevlar backpacks are simply marketing to this unfounded fear. It's disgusting. Worse? You've now planted the seed in your child for life. Great job!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #3 December 19, 2012 QuoteI guess not, Ms. Martindale. Nope. Don't want to live in this society. Why don't you just kill the kids, instead. Yours is truly one of the most misanthropic and despicable comments I have read on the subject. To ask whether "we want to live?" Yes. We do. I want my children to live. That's the point of these things - to live. Am I ever happy that I do not live in a country where I have to start thinking about armed teachers and body armour back packs. Quite the society you guys have created.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 December 19, 2012 Quotethe over reaction and fear it creates about it happening at YOUR child's school is simply ridiculous I agree. What's worse is that there is an overreaction and showing of fear towards taking protective measures. This woman seriously hinted that she would rather kids die than have a backpack like this. I find that to be misanthropic. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 December 19, 2012 QuoteThis woman seriously hinted that she would rather kids die than have a backpack like this. I didn't take her quote like that at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #6 December 19, 2012 >This woman seriously hinted that she would rather kids die than have a backpack like this. ?? Really? If you don't want to wear a tersh during your skydives, does that mean you'd really rather die than have a third canopy? Or does it just mean you don't want a tersh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #7 December 19, 2012 This reminds me of the huge spike in interest that equipment manufacturers saw in BASE rigs right after 9/11. ETA: Body armor in children's sizes will be flying off the shelves in 3, 2, 1,,, Elvisio "PT Barnum was right" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 December 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis woman seriously hinted that she would rather kids die than have a backpack like this. I didn't take her quote like that at all. Quote "Do we want to live in a society where we send our kids to school in Kevlar backpacks and arm our teachers?” Yes. I DO want to live. I do wish that we did not have to worry about these things but like it or not, we do. And since we are in this society (denial of which is resulting in more preventable deaths) then I opt to live. I hate to break it to you, ma'am, but you are in it. Burying your head in the sand is no more a viable option than expressing that you don't want to live in a society where carseats and seatbelts are needed for car rides. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 December 20, 2012 QuoteThis reminds me of the huge spike in interest that equipment manufacturers saw in BASE rigs right after 9/11. Elvisio "PT Barnum was right" Rodriguez Nicely said. Yes, gun sales explode after these incidents. I’ve read some things that refer to it as “senseless” or “ironic.” As if they see no good reason why people would buy guns because they see guns as a problem. Me? I think it’s because there are actually people out there who want to be able to defend themselves against possible attackers. Some see that as a problem – “More guns to stop guns?” No. It’s “I am seeing that society is where I should take steps to prepare to defend myself.” I am taking on the new track of calling myself “pro choice.” I don’t own a gun (I let the ex-wife have it in the divorce. She wanted it in the first place) but I have no objection to others having them and I think that others should be able to have the 2nd Amendment protections if they want. Rather than compelling all persons to own weapons or denying all persons weapons, I believe that each person should be given the choice of whether they wish to purchase a firearm. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #10 December 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteMaryann Martindale, executive director of Alliance for a Better Utah, told Fox 13, "Do we want to live in a society where we send our kids to school in Kevlar backpacks and arm our teachers?” I guess not, Ms. Martindale. Nope. Don't want to live in this society. Why don't you just kill the kids, instead. Haha, this is an awesome literal interpretation of the rhetorical question posed. "Given that people are sending their kids to school in kevlar backpacks and proposing we arm teachers, do we want to live?" Of course we'd want to live, but that's a silly take on what she said. The way I interpreted the statement above was, "Do we want our society to be one where kids wear kevlar backpacks and teachers are armed? Because we're going to have to live in it [and I don't think such a response is warrented.]" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #11 December 20, 2012 In the 1960s, school children needed to worry only about a nuclear holocaust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #12 December 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis reminds me of the huge spike in interest that equipment manufacturers saw in BASE rigs right after 9/11. Elvisio "PT Barnum was right" Rodriguez Nicely said. Yes, gun sales explode after these incidents. I’ve read some things that refer to it as “senseless” or “ironic.” As if they see no good reason why people would buy guns because they see guns as a problem. Me? I think it’s because there are actually people out there who want to be able to defend themselves against possible attackers. Some see that as a problem – “More guns to stop guns?” No. It’s “I am seeing that society is where I should take steps to prepare to defend myself.” I am taking on the new track of calling myself “pro choice.” I don’t own a gun (I let the ex-wife have it in the divorce. She wanted it in the first place) but I have no objection to others having them and I think that others should be able to have the 2nd Amendment protections if they want. Rather than compelling all persons to own weapons or denying all persons weapons, I believe that each person should be given the choice of whether they wish to purchase a firearm. People buy what they might not be able to get in the future. Has little to do with defense. Plus, I suspect people are banking on reselling at a higher price so profit could be the motive too. What I wonder is Transfers. Will they ban be for sale of new AR only? If they ban possession, then anyone that has one just lost their investment. Hopefully they'll grandfather existing supply and allow transfers of used ARs. If not, when you die your gun goes in the trash. No transfer to heirs, or no estate sale. We'll see how the public feels once the proposal published. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 December 20, 2012 Paranoïa is a good business scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 December 20, 2012 Quote Am I ever happy that I do not live in a country where I have to start thinking about armed teachers and body armour back packs. +1When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 December 20, 2012 QuoteIn the 1960s, school children needed to worry only about a nuclear holocaust. And yet there was pretty free access to guns back then and the 70s & 80s... So what changed in the USA that things came to this?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #16 December 20, 2012 Quote Quote In the 1960s, school children needed to worry only about a nuclear holocaust. And yet there was pretty free access to guns back then and the 70s & 80s... So what changed in the USA that things came to this? Rap, then dubstep scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 December 20, 2012 Quote Hopefully they'll grandfather existing supply and allow transfers of used ARs. If not, when you die your gun goes in the trash. No transfer to heirs, or no estate sale. We'll see how the public feels once the proposal published. right, because if they outlaw it, people just won't do it under the table, or gift to the kids before they die grandfathering or not, it would be an impotent law and a waste of time ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 December 20, 2012 Now that I've calmed down, yes, I believe that I overly interpreted it. Here's my thought: few want that to be the society were are in. Problem - it IS the society we're in. She's in denial. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 December 20, 2012 QuoteHere's my thought: few want that to be the society were are in. Problem - it IS the society we're in. She's in denial. Or maybe she hasn't given up yet on the opportunity, hope, chance to change it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #20 December 20, 2012 QuoteNow that I've calmed down, yes, I believe that I overly interpreted it. Here's my thought: few want that to be the society were are in. Problem - it IS the society we're in. She's in denial. We live in the society we live in and that comes with a multitude of different risks. People are, generally, free to mitigate those risks as they choose, and I'm a fan of keeping options open. Some people go overboard but that doesn't automatically enter everyone in a race to see who can go furthest overboard. It's funny that a couple people here said they are glad they don't have to think about kevlar backpacks because they don't live in the United States. That attitude is silly. I don't have to think about building an underground bunker in my backyard just because there's a show about people who do on the History channel. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's nutcaseness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 December 20, 2012 Quote .... This woman seriously hinted that she would rather kids die than have a backpack like this. I find that to be misanthropic. Like said before: Here in my country, you would not get the slightest chance to work in *your* fields. Your post just is BS at its best. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #22 December 20, 2012 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/sales-soar-kid-themed-body-armor-backpacks-171359967.html Sales increasing. What I like is this: QuoteMaryann Martindale, executive director of Alliance for a Better Utah, told Fox 13, "Do we want to live in a society where we send our kids to school in Kevlar backpacks and arm our teachers?” I guess not, Ms. Martindale. Nope. Don't want to live in this society. Why don't you just kill the kids, instead. Yours is truly one of the most misanthropic and despicable comments I have read on the subject. To ask whether "we want to live?" Yes. We do. I want my children to live. That's the point of these things - to live. She chooses "die." By a huge distance, that is the silliest thing you've ever written. It's almost worse because you're not usually prone to writing poorly reasoned comments. Maybe when you've got a bit more distance from the latest event then you'll see it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 December 20, 2012 QuoteYour post just is BS at its best. How about at worst? Have you ever considered thinking rather than feeling? It opens up whole new world's of understanding. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #24 December 20, 2012 QuoteHere's my thought: few want that to be the society were are in. Problem - it IS the society we're in. She's in denial. Are we though? Really? I don't think so - not even in the USA. Run the stats on how likely a child is to be killed in a school shooting vs run over. Do you make them wear a helmet each time they leave the house? Of all the ways that your child is likely to be killed before he or she grows up, being caught in a school shooting is going to be quite a way down the list. It'll certainly below many other causes that you won't do anything about - or at least nothing as drastic as giving them body armor.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #25 December 20, 2012 QuoteAre we though? Really? I don't think so - not even in the USA. Seems to me that we are in such a state that it's being used as a justification for more gun control laws. QuoteOf all the ways that your child is likely to be killed before he or she grows up, being caught in a school shooting is going to be quite a way down the list. Absolutely. It turns out this one worries me so much because it's one that I have zero control over. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites