"Cold Hard Facts the Anti-Gun Forces can no longer escape."

[kallend 2,148]

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He's just as much of an authority as you are.

He's certainly NOT as much an authority as the folks at Penn, and Hemenway at Harvard.

YOU could try to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

IMO, a ton more.
He knows more about guns than I ever will that's for sure.


I think it's a wise thing to actually talk with gun experts.
The ones that understand a Glock does become an assault weapon the instant you add 2 additional bullets.
Never mind how many more magazines are in your pocket.

[regulator 0]

Youve blasted that shit out over and over again...'YOU could try to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.' I asked you in previous thread to post your solution. Still waiting on that.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Columbine was smack dab in the middle of the previous AW assault ban. Clebold and Harris used shotguns and pistols. They also made a multitude of IED's set up over the campus.

You bring up another good example why making guns less accesable will help reduce the number of similar incidents.

Making IEDs succesfully is significantly more difficult than acquiring guns, ammunition and aiming and pulling the trigger. No injury or death in Columbine relates to IEDs. The far majority are a direct result of gun shot wounds.

[normiss 895]

I think he's still working on his magical future whacko detector.

[RonD1120 62]

A few years back I listened to an informal lecture by the medical director of the traumatic brain and spinal cord injury department of the James A. Haley VA Hospital. He stated that the reason the terrorists are expert in manufacturing IEDs is because they have no training in firearm marksmanship.

IMO, totally eliminate the guns and there will be a proliferation in bombs. Crazy people are still crazy. Please allow the opportunity to defend myself and my family from these crazies.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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IMO, totally eliminate the guns and there will be a proliferation in bombs.

How many of these bombings have taken place in countries with heavily restricted guns?

[RonD1120 62]

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IMO, totally eliminate the guns and there will be a proliferation in bombs.

How many of these bombings have taken place in countries with heavily restricted guns?

Iraq and Afghanistan

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Iraq and Afghanistan

Uhm, guns aren't heavily restricted. Open carry is allwed in both countries. Iraq especially had a pretty large gun culcture. The US imposed a 1 gun per person rule.

Also interesting that you would see your own society behaving in a similar fashion as Iraq and Afghanistan.

[DanG 1]

I don't know about Iraq, but in Afghanistan every male has the right to own an AK-47 and a full magazine of ammo. Russian 9mm pistols are also easy to come by. There is hardly what I would call heavy restriction on weapons.

And the medical director's comment that insurgents get good at making bombs because they don't have formal marksmanship training is completely ridiculous. Take even a second to think about it and you'll realize it makes no sense.

- Dan G

[RonD1120 62]

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Iraq and Afghanistan

Uhm, guns aren't heavily restricted. Open carry is allwed in both countries. Iraq especially had a pretty large gun culcture. The US imposed a 1 gun per person rule.

Also interesting that you would see your own society behaving in a similar fashion as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Did Saddam Hussein allow his people access to all weapons? There is a flourishing trade in black market counterfeit guns manufactured in Pakistan. Why do you suppose that is?

Note, I stated several years ago. I meant around 2003.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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I don't know about Iraq, but in Afghanistan every male has the right to own an AK-47 and a full magazine of ammo. Russian 9mm pistols are also easy to come by. There is hardly what I would call heavy restriction on weapons.

And the medical director's comment that insurgents get good at making bombs because they don't have formal marksmanship training is completely ridiculous. Take even a second to think about it and you'll realize it makes no sense.

I did and it does make sense. You are always so quick to put me down you fail to comprehend the complete thought picture.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Did Saddam Hussein allow his people access to all weapons?

Yes

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There is a flourishing trade in black market counterfeit guns manufactured in Pakistan. Why do you suppose that is?

Not because guns are not allowed in Pakistan. There are 7,000,000 licensed gun owners in Pakistan.

[RonD1120 62]

"There is no collective solution to individual problems." ~Rush Limbaugh, 19 Dec 12

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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"There is no collective solution to individual problems." ~Rush Limbaugh, 19 Dec 12

Almost any problem involving peopel can be reduced to an individual problem. Does this mean theer are simply no solutions?

[airdvr 210]

Difficult to believe people are still focusing on the weapon as the problem. We have a mental illness problem in this country. It's always been there but of late the government has washed its hands of these wackjobs, and they are walking among us. You see them at the bus stops, homeless shelters, and sleeping on grates. The government used to provide places to house and keep these folks

I'm now in favor of armed intervention at any place people gather, including schools. Lots of out of work veterans out there who would love jobs like this (after a thorough psych eval). An armed person at the entrance drops the chances of Newtown to almost zero.

I'm in favor of a psychiatric eval for every person entering high school and appropriate treatment if necessary, and I'm not talking about Prozac.

Finally, you'll never ever end the threat if you'd like to reside in a relatively free environment.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kelpdiver 2]

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Myths from the gun lobby:

thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1340531/five-lies-the-gun-lobby-tells-you/?mobile=nc

that one fails right off the bat, in claiming that more guns = more murders. Why has the murder rate declined in the past 20 years in the face of ever increasing gun sales?

[normiss 895]

Dude bro, he was referring to myths.
Clearly stated in his post.
Don't go throwing facts in here like that!
There is zero room for logic in this discussion.
It's all about emotional media hype!

[kelpdiver 2]

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But it's also odd citing from a region that has not enjoyed free speech in general. Where speaking out against Islam can get you jailed or killed, where any reference to Muhammad (Allah help you if you name the class teddy bear after him) could get you stoned.

So, guns don't protect free speech? I thought you were claiming the opposite?

Your question seems to be - why don't guns protect free speech rights in a place that never had free speech rights.

Seems like a really stupid question. (and funny how you only what to talk about Western nations when it's time to look at statistics)

And again, why are you ignoring the recent changes with all the other Arab Spring nations?

[DanG 1]

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I did and it does make sense.

No, it doesn't. The insurgents are good at making bombs because bombs are very effective tools in insurgent warfare. It has nothing to do with their marksmanship training. The medical director's idea is akin to saying the US Navy is good at sailing ships because they don't receive formal marksmanship training. It makes no sense.

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You are always so quick to put me down you fail to comprehend the complete thought picture.

If you would explain the thought picture instead of just posting snippets from other people, I might comprehend you better.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Your question seems to be - why don't guns protect free speech rights in a place that never had free speech rights.

So guns can only ensure that rights are maintained, they cannot be used to acquire rights?

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and funny how you only what to talk about Western nations when it's time to look at statistics

Not at all, just wanted to have statistics comparable with a similar society. If you want to identify with Egyptians, go at it.

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And again, why are you ignoring the recent changes with all the other Arab Spring nations?

I am not. You just aren't really helping your argument. From wikipedia:

To date, rulers have been forced from power in Tunisia,[1] Egypt,[2] Libya,[3] and Yemen;[4]

civil uprisings have erupted in Bahrain[5] and Syria;[6] major protests have broken out in Algeria,[7] 

Iraq,[8] Jordan,[9] Kuwait,[10] Morocco,[11] and Sudan;[12] and minor protests have occurred in 

Lebanon,[13] Mauritania,[14] Oman,[15] Saudi Arabia,[16] Djibouti,[17] and Western Sahara.[18] The major oil rich nations (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, 

Kuwait and Oman) have been able to keep their ruling families in power.

So looks like the majority of countries did not see any changes. Furthermore:

Egypt's gun regulation is mainly categorized as restrictive.
Tunesia's gun regulation is mainly categorized as restrictive.
In Lybia no civilians may possess guns
In Yeman the right to possess firearms is guaranteed by law.

Hard to claim the right to own firearms had any effect in countries with actual change during the Arab Spring.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Your question seems to be - why don't guns protect free speech rights in a place that never had free speech rights.

So guns can only ensure that rights are maintained, they cannot be used to acquire rights?

it appears you're interested in verbal gymnastics rather than to finally offer up your magic solution (to be pulled out of an orifice)

I'll also remind you that for the Vietnamese, it took over 30 years to win their fight against colonialism. It took the Americans the better part of a decade.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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it appears you're interested in verbal gymnastics rather than to finally offer up your magic solution (to be pulled out of an orifice)

I have offered a list of options in two different threads. You just aren't happy until you have a full plan with full implementation guidelines and cost implications. And then you accuse me of verbal gymnastics...almost funny.

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I'll also remind you that for the Vietnamese, it took over 30 years to win their fight against colonialism. It took the Americans the better part of a decade.

Arab spring sin't against collonials. Nor will American society be fighting against colonials any time soon. The right to bear arms also has had no measurable effect on positive changes resulting from the arab spring. Might even be hard to argue that guns in general have had a positive impact on the Arab Spring.

Time for you to move the goal posts....again.

Oh and where exactly did I say that I had a magic solution? And how exactly do you see the demand for a magic solution be conducive to actually trying to reduce these types of incidents?

[kelpdiver 2]

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I have offered a list of options in two different threads. You just aren't happy until you have a full plan with full implementation guidelines and cost implications. And then you accuse me of verbal gymnastics...almost funny.

brainstorming, aka verbal diarrhea, is not offering options. It's as usual as Kallend waving his hands and declaring "don't let crazy people have guns."

You do it to pretend you're offering answers, but they're paper thin. How retarded is it to ignore implementation and cost? Might as well just advocate giving kids force fields.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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brainstorming, aka verbal diarrhea, is not offering options.

So what is the cost of allowing teachers to carry?

So far that is the only solution you have offered. You have not provided implementation and costs, so apparently so far you have only spewed verbal diarrhea...