normiss 892 #76 December 19, 2012 Government already knows how to help Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #77 December 19, 2012 Quote>So poor people deserve to be preyed upon by criminals just because they are poor? In the same way that poor people "deserve" to be "preyed on" by discount stores, yes. But if you want to buy their guns for them, feel free. So retail stores that prey on poor people are the same as a gang member who sticks a gun in a little old ladies rib and takes her SS money? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #78 December 19, 2012 Quote>So poor people deserve to be preyed upon by criminals just because they are poor? In the same way that poor people "deserve" to be "preyed on" by discount stores, yes. But if you want to buy their guns for them, feel free. If I had to choose one over the other, I'd rather have a gun to protect me from a criminal than an Obamaphone to call 911. Or rather so others could call for me as I lie in the gutter bleeding out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #79 December 19, 2012 >So retail stores that prey on poor people are the same as a gang member who sticks >a gun in a little old ladies rib and takes her SS money? Nope, they're not the same. And guns aren't the same as cars, or spoons, or knives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #80 December 19, 2012 QuoteSo retail stores that prey on poor people are the same as a gang member who sticks a gun in a little old ladies rib and takes her SS money? I may never understand how people think the answer to this scenario is giving the old lady a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #81 December 19, 2012 Legally I believe that knives are classified the same as a gun. It is considered a deadly weapon, depending on how the human in possession uses it. Can't argue with your other two...although cars have been used to kill people., so I would venture a touch more responsibility with those that spoons. But I'm not licensed to operate a spoon, so I'm clearly not an authority on those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #82 December 19, 2012 >Legally I believe that knives are classified the same as a gun. OK. They are still not the same. (And I assume you would not handle them as if they were identical.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #83 December 19, 2012 Much like guns, it depends on the weapon. My collection of knives is secured. Kitchen knifes, some are on magnet strips and some are in drawers. I would consider their storage were there minors in the house. - which is why my personal knives are secured. Given today's legal and criminal environment, I wouldn't want to be negligent in any way should some low life steal my weapons and use them in the commission of a crime. I like knives too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #84 December 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteCan you tell me when the last killing spree was in which the shooter used a fully automatic assault weapon? Sounds like bans and restrictions are pretty effective then. Denis Lortie in the quebec legislature? 1984?If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #85 December 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteActually, it shows how little you know about guns. There are many fully automatic weapons out there. They are, for the most part, owned by law abiding citizens. Exactly. But, they are significantly harder and significantly more expensive to get your hands on. They are also used significantly less in crimes and murders. You think that is just coincedence? Great, let's make it difficult for crazy, irresponsible people with little money to get guns. Perhaps we could impose an income requirement, then people with little means wouldn't be able to afford them. I'm sure that would go over real well in the poorest neighborhoods where they need protection more than people in more well-to-do areas. Who was the rich guy with a tank that killed his personal trainer and holed up in his house? Some chemical magnate, can't think of his name. Not everyone can afford a tank...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #86 December 19, 2012 Quote Who was the rich guy with a tank that killed his personal trainer and holed up in his house? Some chemical magnate, can't think of his name. Not everyone can afford a tank... A duPont maybe? I remember something about that from a few years ago, but I can't remember details."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #87 December 19, 2012 QuoteDenis Lortie in the quebec legislature? 1984? 1984 and 3 dead. I'll take that over last week and 28 dead. These mass shootings simply do not occur as frequently in Canada as they do in the US. I believe that guns being far less accessible here contributes to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #88 December 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteDenis Lortie in the quebec legislature? 1984? 1984 and 3 dead. I'll take that over last week and 28 dead. These mass shootings simply do not occur as frequently in Canada as they do in the US. I believe that guns being far less accessible here contributes to that. In defense of lortie's low body count, that probably has more to do with his inability to tell time than anything else. The legislature was to open at 9, and lortie sat in his car listening to a radio program that usually ends at 9. For some reason the program ended 20 minutes early that day, and lortie assumed that it was 9 o'clock, took his guns and entered the building. In reality, it wasn't yet open, and there were very few people present at the time... Luck was with them.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
