Is Anyone OK With This?

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Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on Innocent Americans

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[jakee 1,584]

Is it within his power to do that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Well, if the AG says you won't be prosecuted/investigated, then what does the law matter?

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[kallend 2,136]

And other than the available technology, how is this different from secret govt. dossiers on, say, Martin Luther King Jr?

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[Andy9o8 2]

You act this this is something new. It's always been done in the US; the only variable has been the technology.

My own feelings? On the whole, it's always been more repugnant toward the Constitution than not.

[Kennedy 0]

It is more widespread, which in my mind means it is equally as wrong as doing it to MLK, multiplied by each citizen target. Think of it as the same as robbing a bank, but you're robbing more of them. The FBI (and NCTC, et al) are not supposed to accumulate information on people not accused or suspected of any wrongdoing.

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[Kennedy 0]

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In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S. citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news report.

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal, which broke the story.

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new changes were “breathtaking in scope.”
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That's for anyone who can't or won't click the link and read.

Andy, I know it's not new, but it's getting worse. It also bothers me that this my be another case of Holder ignoring the law/direction of congress and simply doing whatever the hell he feels like, regardless of constitutionality.

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[kallend 2,136]

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In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S. citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news report.

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal, which broke the story.

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new changes were “breathtaking in scope.”
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That's for anyone who can't or won't click the link and read.

Andy, I know it's not new, but it's getting worse. It also bothers me that this my be another case of Holder ignoring the law/direction of congress and simply doing whatever the hell he feels like, regardless of constitutionality.

Why weren't you whining when AGs Mitchell, Ashcroft, Gonzales and Meese were trampling the Constitution? Oh yes, they were GOP.

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In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S. citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news report.

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal, which broke the story.

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new changes were “breathtaking in scope.”
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That's for anyone who can't or won't click the link and read.

Andy, I know it's not new, but it's getting worse. It also bothers me that this my be another case of Holder ignoring the law/direction of congress and simply doing whatever the hell he feels like, regardless of constitutionality.

Why weren't you whining when AGs Mitchell, Ashcroft, Gonzales and Meese were trampling the Constitution? Oh yes, they were GOP.

Why aren't you whining now? Oh, that's right they are Dems.

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I'm not OK with this. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot all used these techniques to put down "terriorists." Stalin killed millions of his own people who were labeled terrorists/ anti-govt etc. Since 9-11 the Feds have taken extreme liberties in doing things against our Constitution all claiming the need to protect us.

[Andy9o8 2]

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I'm not OK with this. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot all used these techniques to put down "terriorists."

To a more or less era-equivalent extent, what we're talking about here was done by Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, and that was before J. Edgar Hoover was given free rein to do much the same.

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Stalin killed millions of his own people who were labeled terrorists/ anti-govt etc.

US citizens and their agents of European ancestry were responsible for the slow genocide of millions of Native Americans.

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Since 9-11 the Feds have taken extreme liberties in doing things against our Constitution all claiming the need to protect us.

Absolutely true. It fits an historical pattern.

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Why weren't you whining when AGs Mitchell, Ashcroft, Gonzales and Meese were trampling the Constitution? Oh yes, they were GOP.

Actually, I was unhappy about that, as well (not that I was around for HUAC et al, but you know what I mean). Those were bad. This is worse. I'm also "not ok" with NYPD infiltrating neighborhoods and tracking resident movements and interactions. Looking into it is their job, but continuing surveillance and infiltration without cause is not.

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[Kennedy 0]

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I'm not OK with this. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot all used these techniques to put down "terriorists."

To a more or less era-equivalent extent, what we're talking about here was done by Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, and that was before J. Edgar Hoover was given free rein to do much the same.

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Stalin killed millions of his own people who were labeled terrorists/ anti-govt etc.

US citizens and their agents of European ancestry were responsible for the slow genocide of millions of Native Americans.

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Since 9-11 the Feds have taken extreme liberties in doing things against our Constitution all claiming the need to protect us.

Absolutely true. It fits an historical pattern.

And that pattern will repeat and increase until and unless people decide they don't want it and won't put up with it. Unfortunately, a number of Merikuns think I'm a commie spy because I choose not to trust the government with unlimited power. Funny thing is they don't even recognize the irony in such comments. Well, more sad than funny, but such is life.

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