Florida GOP admits to voter suppression efforts . . .

[billvon 3,132]

. . . and they STILL lost the state.

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Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

Former GOP chair, governor - both on outs with party - say voter fraud wasn’t a concern, but reducing Democratic votes was.

By Dara Kam and John Lantigua

Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau

A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, former GOP officials and current GOP consultants have told The Palm Beach Post.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”
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. . . and they STILL lost the state.

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Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

Former GOP chair, governor - both on outs with party - say voter fraud wasn’t a concern, but reducing Democratic votes was.

By Dara Kam and John Lantigua

Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau

A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, former GOP officials and current GOP consultants have told The Palm Beach Post.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”
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We all knew that already but the GOP supporters just lied about it.

So what's new?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[quade 4]

They couldn't even win by cheating.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kelpdiver 2]

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We all knew that already but the GOP supporters just lied about it.

So what's new?

these sort of revelations are important for dealing with similar efforts in other states. Yeah, it was pretty fucking obvious, but when you have insiders confirming it, it blunts the tin foil type retorts.

[Channman 2]

Well, we did try and recruit the New Black Panther Party to assist in this most important effort. They declined our offers because they were way to busy suppressing the vote in Philly.

They may have openings in their schedule in 2016.

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Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement. Just a waste of money, remember?

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Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement. Just a waste of money, remember?

I'm glad you finally have admitted it. The GOP's attempts to restrict voting based on bullshit is a shame upon them.

quade -
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Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement. Just a waste of money, remember?

I'm glad you finally have admitted it. The GOP's attempts to restrict voting based on bullshit is a shame upon them.

I haven't admitted anything. I have been an advocate that every American have the right to vote, one time. I just want to be sure that those voting are Americans. Glad to see you are finally coming around.

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I haven't admitted anything. I have been an advocate that every American have the right to vote, one time. I just want to be sure that those voting are Americans. Glad to see you are finally coming around.

Wake me up when it exceeds on vote in 10 thousand.

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I haven't admitted anything. I have been an advocate that every American have the right to vote, one time. I just want to be sure that those voting are Americans. Glad to see you are finally coming around.

Wake me up when it exceeds on vote in 10 thousand.

No problem. Please feel free to stick your head in the sand in the meantime. We will wake you up when Republicans win an election due to voter fraud. Then you can become outraged.

[billvon 3,132]

>Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement.
>Just a waste of money, remember?

Not just a waste of money - an actual organized attempt by the GOP to disenfranchise voters and swing the election in their favor. Next time a GOPer wants to do this again in the name of "stop voter fraud!" we'll know what they really mean.

>I have been an advocate that every American have the right to vote, one time.

Looks like you might not be welcome in the GOP any more, in that case.

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Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement. Just a waste of money, remember?

you're confusing voter fraud, which is non existent, with voter suppression, which the GOP unsuccessfully tried to engage in over numerous states in this election. You in particular are either a patsy or a willing participant in this illegal activity.

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Voter fraud isn't a serious problem, remember? No need for stricter enforcement. Just a waste of money, remember?

you're confusing voter fraud, which is non existent, with voter suppression, which the GOP unsuccessfully tried to engage in over numerous states in this election. You in particular are either a patsy or a willing participant in this illegal activity.

You need to pay attention better. zI am for every American having the right to vote one time. Anyone who attenpts to suppress that right through whatever means, should be jailed for a long enough period of time to make it distasteful to others.

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But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

If Charlie Crist told you it was raining frogs you'd believe that too? Sour grapes is all this is.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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You need to pay attention better. zI am for every American having the right to vote one time. Anyone who attenpts to suppress that right through whatever means, should be jailed for a long enough period of time to make it distasteful to others.

you support "voter fraud" legislation which is tacit approval for voter suppression. The GOP comments quoted here remove the last pretence that it is anything but.

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You need to pay attention better. zI am for every American having the right to vote one time. Anyone who attenpts to suppress that right through whatever means, should be jailed for a long enough period of time to make it distasteful to others.

you support "voter fraud" legislation which is tacit approval for voter suppression. The GOP comments quoted here remove the last pretence that it is anything but.

So in Kelptown, attempts to prevent voter fraud equate to voter suppression? Does setting speed limits also run contrary to the DoI?

While you are at it, you might want to get an oil change on the sarcasm meter.

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Do you actually give that article one ounce of credibility? Seriously?

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How come you didn't include this part?

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Greer is now under indictment, accused of stealing $200,000 from the party through a phony campaign fundraising operation. He, in turn, has sued the party, saying GOP leaders knew what he was doing and voiced no objection.

“Jim Greer has been accused of criminal acts against this organization and anything he says has to be considered in that light,” says Brian Burgess, Florida GOP spokesman since September.

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Crist is now at odds with the GOP, since abandoning the party to run for U.S. Senate as an independent in 2010. He is rumored to be planning another run for governor, as a Democrat.

Crist said in a telephone interview this month that he did not recall conversations about early voting specifically targeting black voters “but it looked to me like that was what was being suggested. And I didn’t want them to go there at all.”

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GOP spokesman Burgess discounted Crist’s statement to The Post.

“Charlie Crist speaks out of both sides of his mouth,” he said.

Former Florida Secretary of State Kurt Browning, a Republican, has spoken favorably about HB 1355, because he believes its 12-hour early voting days — the law previously limited them to eight hours a day — give voters more flexibility to vote before or after work.

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“If what Greer said had happened, that would be wrong and he should have fired those men,” Burgess said. “Why didn’t he fire them? They said they were never in any meeting with Jim Greer of that kind. They never had meetings of that kind.”

Left a few important details out didn't you?

[DanG 1]

So which is it? The article has no credibility, or it does?

Or do only the parts that support your position have credibility?

- Dan G

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But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

If Charlie Crist told you it was raining frogs you'd believe that too?

No, but then raining frogs is unlikely.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,132]

>So in Kelptown, attempts to prevent voter fraud equate to voter suppression?

No. Attempts to suppress the vote - attempts that the GOP has now admitted to - equate to voter suppression.

>Does setting speed limits also run contrary to the DoI?

If you set them to 5mph only in democratic counties on election day - yes, it would count as voter suppression as well. (Don't give the Florida GOP any ideas.)

[billvon 3,132]

>Do you actually give that article one ounce of credibility?

Followed by:

>How come you didn't include this part?

I guess you give it an ounce of credibility. Did you forget the previous post? Romnesia perhaps?

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So which is it? The article has no credibility, or it does?

Or do only the parts that support your position have credibility?

I think you would have not posted in this thread unless you could try and get a slam in. I also think the cut and paste parts of the article posted by Billvon were done one sided so as to push an agenda against Republicans. I think anyone who read the entire article would come to a different conclusion than Billvon wanted them to.

Anytime I read an article that contains a lot of "undisclosed sources", "asked that their name not be used" is likely rubbish written by a reporter with an agenda.

That about cover it for you?

[DanG 1]

Yeah, that covers it. I'd love to see the same lack of respect for similar articles that don't advance your political agenda, such as articles about Benghazi, but I won't hold my breath.

- Dan G

[rhaig 0]

just like I said to the people who called for the impeachment of Bush, and Obama, if there is proof of wrongdoing, make it seen, and get charges filed. Until then, it's BS that drives ad revenue somewhere.

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Rob