Kennedy 0 #1 November 23, 2012 Ah, the joys of unchecked democracy. So what does everyone think of Morsi's taking sweeping new powers as Egyptian president? Deciding that any proclamation of his office is automatically legal and above court review does not bode well for the populace. (based on the riots in Tahrir Square, they seem to agree with me) Arab Spring 2.0 to get rid of the original?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2 November 23, 2012 Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #3 November 23, 2012 Obama must be jealous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #4 November 23, 2012 QuoteMeet the new boss, same as the old boss. This one adds religious fundamentalism/fanaticism to the rampant narcissism and assorted psychoses.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #5 November 23, 2012 Hang on - looks like the regular folk ain't takin' it lightly. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/23/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Let's see if Morsi beats a graceful retreat on this in the coming days. If he's smart, he will. (Analysis: Politically, it might have seemed a logical time for Morsi to do this, when he's being lauded for capapbly mediating the Gaza cease-fire. Very loosely analogous to a PM in a parliamentary system calling snap elections when events give him a sudden boost in popularity. In this case, though, it seems he over-estimated his new political capital, and under-estimated the mood of the people. Rookie mistake, in hindsight. Oopsie!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 November 23, 2012 Same shit different dayWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #7 November 23, 2012 The scary part is Morsi now has control of the Suez Canal. I know a lot of people will not pick up on the significance of this fact, but they will if Morsi goes off the deep end..... "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 November 24, 2012 Quote unchecked democracy Isn't that something of an oxymoron?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #9 November 24, 2012 It is very difficult for me to keep up with turmoil in the Mideast. I fret over the suffering and unrest in Israel and, of course the Benghazi tragedy. Outside of that, Armageddon is coming. It is just a question of time.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 November 24, 2012 True one day the sun will die and then we'll all be dead.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #11 November 24, 2012 QuoteQuote unchecked democracy Isn't that something of an oxymoron? Not really. Someone once said that true democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what's for dinner. One of the major failings of democracy is the lack of inherent protection for the minorities. Ask the Christians how much of a voice they have now."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #12 November 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote unchecked democracy Isn't that something of an oxymoron? Not really. Someone once said that true democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what's for dinner. One of the major failings of democracy is the lack of inherent protection for the minorities. Ask the Christians how much of a voice they have now. Actually, the sheep gets to decide which wolf eats him....."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 November 24, 2012 So how does one keep democracy in check? After all if you exclude the extremes you leave them no option but violence. In the north of Ireland the former terrorists now are politicians and run the country through democratic means. The ANC a former terrorists organisation now runs the government of South Africa, there are many other countries where the same situation exists (including Israel). Democracy must be unchecked if it to stand a chance of working, if the people do not decide on the government through democratic election then its not democracy.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #14 November 24, 2012 QuoteSo how does one keep democracy in check? After all if you exclude the extremes you leave them no option but violence. In the north of Ireland the former terrorists now are politicians and run the country through democratic means. The ANC a former terrorists organisation now runs the government of South Africa, there are many other countries where the same situation exists (including Israel). Democracy must be unchecked if it to stand a chance of working, if the people do not decide on the government through democratic election then its not democracy. That's a very, very difficult question. And there really isn't a good answer. I'm not suggesting excluding any extremes, actually the opposite. How do you keep a majority from trampling the rights of an unpopular minority? Putting checks and balances in place is one solution. Putting in rights that cannot be overturned is another. Having "Supermajorities" for major changes is yet one more. The US Constitution tries to address this, mostly successfully. Here in the US, amending the Constitution cannot be done by a simple majority. In some states, it can. California's Prop 8 (banning gay marriage) is a good example. The vote had a very small majority denying rights to a minority. The whole gay marriage debate is a good example of a small, unpopular group being denied rights by the majority (although it is changing). The Civil Rights battle in the 50s and 60s is another. Which fortuantely has changed. Yet there was still a large enough "supermajority" to pass the 18th amendment (Prohibition of alcohol) back in the 20's. Which was a noble cause but a serious mistake."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 November 25, 2012 In the UK we have the Human RIghts Act. Beyond that we have the European Court of Human Rights which overrules nation states rulings where needed. Of course it doesn't make it popular but it does protect the rights of unpopular minorities.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #16 November 25, 2012 QuoteIn the UK we have the Human RIghts Act. Beyond that we have the European Court of Human Rights which overrules nation states rulings where needed. Of course it doesn't make it popular but it does protect the rights of unpopular minorities. Yes, same concept. Providing a "check" on the "will of the people" to do bad things. It may be unpopular, but it is very necessary."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
