lawrocket 3 #1 November 21, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants-191930756.html It used to be the GOP that pulled this shit. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #2 November 21, 2012 Wonderful. My three-year digital correspondence trail with my Attorney's, wherein we discuss at length my ongoing suit against one of these very agencies could now be available to them. That's just lovely. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 November 21, 2012 Indeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #4 November 21, 2012 QuoteIndeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. Fortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #5 November 21, 2012 QuoteFortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it? For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #6 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteFortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it? I don't think lawrocket was being sarcastic (or even dickish). I think he truly finds the bill troubling. Edit to add: I was also not being sarcastic.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #7 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteFortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it? I don't think lawrocket was being sarcastic (or even dickish). I think he truly finds the bill troubling. As we all should imo. I think we've all known for a while the Government was snooping. Not ethical, but not legal and not something that could be directly used against you. This changes that stance to legal snooping. I have a huge problem with that. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIndeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. Fortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. Actually, most federal judges take this issue quite seriously, and scrutinize such laws (when passed) pretty strictly. It's on reason why I feel it really DOES make a difference which candidate becomes President, since the pres appoints the entire federal judiciary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteFortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it? I don't think lawrocket was being sarcastic (or even dickish). I think he truly finds the bill troubling. I do. Anyone who thinks that either the GOP or Democrats are in favor of civil rights is not paying attention to either party. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #10 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it? I don't think lawrocket was being sarcastic (or even dickish). I think he truly finds the bill troubling. As we all should imo. I think we've all known for a while the Government was snooping. Not ethical, but not legal and not something that could be directly used against you. This changes that stance to legal snooping. I have a huge problem with that. Ian I agree with you. However, my concern is somewhat mitigated in the knowledge that we have judicial review to determine the constitutionality of challenged laws. I think more often than not the SCOTUS makes well reasoned decisions.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIndeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. Fortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. Actually, most federal judges take this issue quite seriously, and scrutinize such laws (when passed) pretty strictly. It's on reason why I feel it really DOES make a difference which candidate becomes President, since the pres appoints the entire federal judiciary. Right. What's our present President's position on, say, the Patriot Act and/or Gitmo? Or searches and seizures? How about the position of our Senate? Didn't matter whether Romney or Obama won. Neither has a position of respecting civil liberties. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 November 21, 2012 Quote http://news.yahoo.com/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants-191930756.html It used to be the GOP that pulled this shit. And what it points out is that it's human nature for those in a position of govt power to incline toward preserving and expanding the govt's ability to exercise power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 November 21, 2012 QuoteAnd what it points out is that it's human nature for those in a position of govt power to incline toward preserving and expanding the govt's ability to exercise power. Of course. And that's why the power to appoint a SCOTUS nominee is fundamentally no different. They just decide which power grab is more important. When the Democrats give up on Civil Liberties it's irreversible. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #14 November 21, 2012 Quote http://news.yahoo.com/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants-191930756.html It used to be the GOP that pulled this shit. That's fucking scandalous. People should be taking the streets over this kind of shit. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #15 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIndeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. Fortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. Pardon me, but you are sadly mistaken. The suit I referenced above is petitioning the Court/Judiciary to review said-Agency's actions (via the authorization of Act of Congress - Section 302 of the 1996 “IIRIRA”) against me, to which that Agency's response via the DOJ is that they are NOT subject to judicial review. Thus far, we are still awaiting a hearing/ruling on the action filed back with the District Court in December past. I'd rather be spending the money on jump-tickets and scotch in Eloy. John Edited: added reference in italics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #16 November 21, 2012 You think if "law enforcement groups including the National District Attorneys' Association and the National Sheriffs' Association organizations objected" to the 4th Amendment, Leahy would strike that down, too? How do you go from championing privacy and civil liberty to THIS?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #17 November 21, 2012 I'm more tolerant of federal power and oversight than many on this site, but THAT is not cool. My handwriting sucks too much to go back to mailing physical letters! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #18 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIndeed. It's one of the things I thought particularly troubling. Fortunately, we have judicial review to keep Congress in check. You seem to think it's only the job of SCOTUS to determine if something is unconstitutional. It's a 3 part system so that each part of the system can abide by the constitution and strike down unconstitutional actions of the others. Lately the Executive and Legislative branches seem to be writing the unconstitutional bits and then it's up to citizens to fight them and get it to the court. In the meantime, damage has been done, and normalcy bias has set in.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
