kallend 2,146 #1 November 17, 2012 www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/16/noaa_climate_october_was_332nd_straight_month_with_above_average_temperatures.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueblur 0 #2 November 17, 2012 I understand that the current trend is warming. But how many years were there no "warmer than" months in this planet's history? Time and time again, history shows trending climate patterns. Ice age, big thaw (warming), ice age, big thaw... We don't have "recorded history" and record keeping for 99.99999% of this planet's history.In every man's life he will be allotted one good woman and one good dog. That's all you get, so appreciate them while the time you have with them lasts. - RiggerLee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 November 17, 2012 http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 November 17, 2012 QuoteI understand that the current trend is warming. But how many years were there no "warmer than" months in this planet's history? Time and time again, history shows trending climate patterns. Ice age, big thaw (warming), ice age, big thaw... We don't have "recorded history" and record keeping for 99.99999% of this planet's history. Using that "logic" nothing can ever be known about the world prior to the invention of the modern instrument used to measure it. That's simply untrue though. For instance, are you familiar with the concept of tree rings? Tree rings are amazing in they show with stunning accuracy the amount of growth of the tree every year. From that, it's possible to infer things like drought. That's not a temperature scale, but it illusatrates the point nature records an amazing amount of data from layers in sedimentary rock to layers of snow in the arctic it traps bits of everything around it from pieces of dead animals that becomes fossils, to pollen and even pieces of the atmosphere trapped in gas bubbles frozen in ice. No one item tells the entire history of the planet before man, but taken together, they do tell it quite well and in stunning clarity. All a person needs to do is look at it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #5 November 17, 2012 Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html Indeed"U.S. Winter and February Cooler Than Average" You are still confusing the USA with the entire world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueblur 0 #6 November 17, 2012 Very true. But do we have a sampling of trees from the last few hundred million year? If the Earth were on a constant warming trend with no cooling periods or proven "ice ages" to balance them out, the planet either started out as an ice ball at absolute zero or is only a few thousand years old and has been warmed due to man's influence. Is my logic wrong? I am not saying we are not in a warming trend, I'm saying it is just that, a trend. A trend that is part of the larger cyclic nature of this planet's ecosystem.In every man's life he will be allotted one good woman and one good dog. That's all you get, so appreciate them while the time you have with them lasts. - RiggerLee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 November 17, 2012 Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html Indeed"U.S. Winter and February Cooler Than Average" You are still confusing the USA with the entire world. Problem with global warming is it isn't global. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 November 17, 2012 QuoteProblem with global warming is it isn't global. The linked article in the OP indicates otherwise.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #9 November 17, 2012 It is the middle of November and there is close to one foot of snow in my yard. Is this abnormal? No not really, it is in fact normal to have snow on the ground for us at this time of year. I don't see any abnormal warming nor do I see any abnormal cooling. It just seems like the beginning of yet another winter which on some days it will be very pleasant outside and on other days it will be down right nasty. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 November 17, 2012 QuoteI don't see any abnormal warming nor do I see any abnormal cooling. From any individual's yard, they have a fairly small view of the planet. It's not about YOUR yard. It never has been. It's about the entire planet.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 November 17, 2012 Let's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 November 17, 2012 QuoteLet's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? Kind of obvious really, just parse your own question. We can do this several ways, but you know what would actually be the most effective? Reduce the amount of humans on the planet. Now, most people aren't going to find that to be an acceptable answer. Very few people will accept the idea of limiting population, so we have to do the next best thing; reduce the amount of impact people have on the environment by limiting the amount of greenhouse gasses are produced per capita.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #13 November 17, 2012 Quote Let's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? Holy sh*t, what a question. No wonder that the US did not sign the Kyoto Protocol. Jeez. Where are you living, on the moon?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #14 November 17, 2012 QuoteIt is the middle of November and there is close to one foot of snow in my yard. Is this abnormal? No not really, it is in fact normal to have snow on the ground for us at this time of year. I don't see any abnormal warming nor do I see any abnormal cooling. It just seems like the beginning of yet another winter which on some days it will be very pleasant outside and on other days it will be down right nasty. I went outside today and didn't hear any gunfire. Clearly this is proof that there is only peace in the world, no war.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,463 #15 November 17, 2012 Hi Paul, QuoteReduce the amount of humans on the planet. Absolutely!!! This also why I contribute to NARAL every year. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 November 17, 2012 QuoteHi Paul, QuoteReduce the amount of humans on the planet. Absolutely!!! This also why I contribute to NARAL every year. JerryBaumchen The problem is two fold; human nature is to procreate, people in power tend to believe in order to stay in power they need to have an ever increasing source of suckers on which to prey. We need to get over our human nature and manage things a bit better than we were programmed by evolution to die at much earlier ages.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueblur 0 #17 November 17, 2012 I propose this solution. Give me a sterilization raygun. End of overpopulation shortly follows.In every man's life he will be allotted one good woman and one good dog. That's all you get, so appreciate them while the time you have with them lasts. - RiggerLee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #18 November 17, 2012 QuoteLet's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? We all need to kill ourselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #19 November 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteLet's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? We all need to kill ourselves. Great idea! You first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 November 18, 2012 Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #21 November 18, 2012 > But do we have a sampling of trees from the last few hundred million year? Nope. But we have ice cores going back hundreds of thousands. >I am not saying we are not in a warming trend, I'm saying it is just that, a trend. A >trend that is part of the larger cyclic nature of this planet's ecosystem. Agreed, it is just a trend caused by increasing concentrations of CO2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #22 November 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteLet's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? We all need to kill ourselves. Great idea! You first. I would, but somebody's got to bury everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #23 November 18, 2012 Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one. Another geographically challenged person who can't tell the difference between the USA and the Earth.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 November 18, 2012 Yeah, right. Next thing, you will be trying to tell us the number of earthquakes have increased worldwide. Damn Quakers!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #25 November 18, 2012 Quote Agreed, it is just a trend caused by increasing concentrations of CO2. OK, I challenge you to post relevant and reliable data to back up your claim. Are you still hung up on the hockey stick graph from Gore's video? That has been debunked. the CO2 rise was about 800yrs later than the warming trend according to the ice core samples that you speak of as proof. If you really want to contribute the ecology of the world, Quit crapping in fresh water. In places like Ethiopia, people walk miles for the same clean water you crap in. If one wants to do something, then do it. No half assed crap. If you do not crap in fresh water, respect and I stand down. Take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
