skiskyrock 0 #26 November 18, 2012 You are seriously misinformed. CO2 has to act to warm the climate. It can't not act that way, and the magnitude of the forcing can be calculated from simple physics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing The hockeystick graph and the associated methodology has been examined by the National Academy of Science an the conclusion has been upheld. Other scientists have replicated the work and have confirmed it's conclusions using other techniques and independent proxy measurements. Take a look at the references below, it might cause you to re-evaluate your sources of information. CO2 lags temperature: http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm Hockeystick has been debiunked: http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #27 November 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one. Another geographically challenged person who can't tell the difference between the USA and the Earth. What a stupid statement! Well professor, you should stick to your specialty whatever that is. Last time I checked the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth. I'm not so sure about whatever planet you're on. I dunno, maybe it's something that physics profs aren't smart enough to know....what affects the U.S. also affects the world.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #28 November 18, 2012 Quote Yeah, right. Next thing, you will be trying to tell us the number of earthquakes have increased worldwide. Damn Quakers!! Good one. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #29 November 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one. Another geographically challenged person who can't tell the difference between the USA and the Earth. What a stupid statement! Well professor, you should stick to your specialty whatever that is. Last time I checked the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth. I'm not so sure about whatever planet you're on. Is it really that difficult for some people to understand that the US having a cooler than average month does not imply that the world was cooler than average during that month? It doesn't matter a bit that "the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth."Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 November 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one. Another geographically challenged person who can't tell the difference between the USA and the Earth. What a stupid statement! Well professor, you should stick to your specialty whatever that is. Last time I checked the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth. I'm not so sure about whatever planet you're on. Is it really that difficult for some people to understand that the US having a cooler than average month does not imply that the world was cooler than average during that month? It doesn't matter a bit that "the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth." The question is how valid is data that uses world averages? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #31 November 18, 2012 QuoteThe question is how valid is data that uses world averages? The data do not "use world averages." Population means are estimated from the data. The limitations of estimating the mean from data from around the world are no different from the limitations of estimating the mean from data, and those limitations are very well understood and taken into consideration when analyses are done.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #32 November 18, 2012 QuoteIn places like Ethiopia, people walk miles for the same clean water you crap in. How is Bill's crap getting from California to Ethiopia?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #33 November 18, 2012 From your link which validates exactly what I posted with exception to crapping in fresh water. Take care and thanks for validating my comment. space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #34 November 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteIn places like Ethiopia, people walk miles for the same clean water you crap in. How is Bill's crap getting from California to Ethiopia? Its global you silly. I could have used the Mississippi delta region or the recent s struck by a hurricane but i didnt want such an interesting thread about misinformed people to get seconded to SC. ;-) Take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #35 November 18, 2012 Quotewww.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/16/noaa_climate_october_was_332nd_straight_month_with_above_average_temperatures.html From NOAA: •The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January–October 2012 was the eighth warmest such period on record http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/10 Eight other years were warmer, yet CO2 has never been higher in history. It seems a week link. You are confusing coincidence with causality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 November 18, 2012 Please review. http://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics/v/u08-l1-t2-we2-reading-line-graphs And http://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics/v/misleading-line-graphs The problem with your analysis is you make it sound as if the ONLY thing that matters is the last eight years of data...which is complete nonsense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #37 November 18, 2012 Other than wasting ten minutes of my life what was your point? I learned about that getting my MBA. The larger and more important point is that man-made CO2 is NOT causing the planet to warm; I could say that my INCOME is causing the planet to warm. In fact my income level corresponds to global temps. BETTER that CO2 levels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 November 18, 2012 QuoteOther than wasting ten minutes of my life what was your point? I learned about that getting my MBA. Well, you haven't demonstrated you have. If you want to cherry pick your start and end points to make your case. Fine. That's going to convince some people of your argument, but certainly not anyone who looks at the longer set of data.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #39 November 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteOther than wasting ten minutes of my life what was your point? I learned about that getting my MBA. Well, you haven't demonstrated you have. If you want to cherry pick your start and end points to make your case. Fine. That's going to convince some people of your argument, but certainly not anyone who looks at the longer set of data. What start/end points and what longer set of data? Keep in mind that I could go all prehistoric on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #40 November 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100310_cooler.html I think I will go with NOAA on this one. Another geographically challenged person who can't tell the difference between the USA and the Earth. What a stupid statement! Well professor, you should stick to your specialty whatever that is. Last time I checked the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth. I'm not so sure about whatever planet you're on. Is it really that difficult for some people to understand that the US having a cooler than average month does not imply that the world was cooler than average during that month? It doesn't matter a bit that "the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth." Apparently it is very difficult for POPSJUMPER to accept that the USA is not the entire world, and for BRENTHUTCH to understand time series analysis.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #41 November 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn places like Ethiopia, people walk miles for the same clean water you crap in. How is Bill's crap getting from California to Ethiopia? Its global you silly. I've never met him, but I'm pretty sure Bill's not that fat.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #42 November 19, 2012 Hmmm... Interesting point. Please explain the last global warming then. Game on. Take care. space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #43 November 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteLet's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? Kind of obvious really, just parse your own question. We can do this several ways, but you know what would actually be the most effective? Reduce the amount of humans on the planet. Now, most people aren't going to find that to be an acceptable answer. Very few people will accept the idea of limiting population, so we have to do the next best thing; reduce the amount of impact people have on the environment by limiting the amount of greenhouse gasses are produced per capita. I know all of that. I want real examples. Because I don't think the solutions needed are even possible to accomplish and maintain an economic structure that woks.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #44 November 19, 2012 Quote Quote Let's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? Holy sh*t, what a question. No wonder that the US did not sign the Kyoto Protocol. Jeez. Where are you living, on the moon?? When the poster above you starts talking about eliminating population from the planet I don't think someone from your country should be chiming in seeing as how your country attempted to solve AGW before AGW was cool.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #45 November 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Let's just for a second assume that AGW is real. What would need to change to rectify it? Kind of obvious really, just parse your own question. We can do this several ways, but you know what would actually be the most effective? Reduce the amount of humans on the planet. Now, most people aren't going to find that to be an acceptable answer. Very few people will accept the idea of limiting population, so we have to do the next best thing; reduce the amount of impact people have on the environment by limiting the amount of greenhouse gasses are produced per capita. I know all of that. I want real examples. Because I don't think the solutions needed are even possible to accomplish and maintain an economic structure that woks. I see what you did there! lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #46 November 19, 2012 QuoteI want real examples. Here's a few easy examples, most of which are pretty painless: Don't drive a large car/SUV when a subcompact will do the job. Don't drive any motor vehicle when your feet or a bicycle will do the job. Combine trips. Buy locally grown food whenever possible. Eat less meat. When possible, use a toaster oven instead of a full size oven. Keep your tires inflated. Use rechargeable batteries. Use LED lighting whenever practical. Turn off lights when leaving a room. Turn off appliances when not in use. Whenever practical, plug electronics into surge protector with power switch, and switch the whole thing off instead of allowing the electronics to go on standby. Turn the thermostat down a couple degrees in the winter and up a couple of degrees in the summer. It's really not hard to significantly reduce one's carbon footprint without significant changes to one's lifestyle.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #47 November 19, 2012 *SIGH* Quote Is it really that difficult for some people to understand that the US having a cooler than average month does not imply that the world was cooler than average during that month? Nope. Why are you asking me that question? QuoteIt doesn't matter a bit that "the U.S.A. was sitting right there on the earth." Wrong. Data for the U.S. is included in your "world" numbers and reports. What's so hard for you and Kallend to understand about that?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #48 November 19, 2012 [email] Quote Please review. http://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics/v/u08-l1-t2-we2-reading-line-graphs And http://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics/v/misleading-line-graphs The problem with your analysis is you make it sound as if the ONLY thing that matters is the last eight years of data...which is complete nonsense. quade points out the obvious...numbers can be crunched however you like. What a non-sensical post.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #49 November 19, 2012 Quote If you want to cherry pick your start and end points to make your case. Quote kinda like the other side is doing, eh? Oh, the irony. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #50 November 19, 2012 Quote Apparently it is very difficult for POPSJUMPER to accept that the USA is not the entire world, and for BRENTHUTCH to understand time series analysis. Apparently Kallend is short on reading comprehension and sees ghosts where there are none. That or just being his normal obtuse self. You still didn't tell us what planet you are on today. You are pitifully hilarious. Spell it out Kallend. Show us where I said the USA data and reports equate to the entire world. Bring it old man.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
