kallend 2,182 #1 November 16, 2012 www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/15/six-out-of-every-seven-doctors-agree-our-health-care-system-doesnt-work/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 November 16, 2012 I happen to know some physicians and it's been a while since I've seen one that does not think that there are significant problems with the healthcare industry and that the road chosen by our Fearless Leader makes it even worse. Why aren't doctors satisfied? The chief complaints I hear are: (1) Aren't allowed to practice medicine as they wish because of limitations placed by third party payors. (2) Too many patients with new manicures complaining about a copay (3) Cost cutting measures accomplished by cutting pay to them; and (4) The continuous devaluing of the practice of medicine by policies that increase the role of PAs and nurses. Doctors really get shit on a lot. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #3 November 16, 2012 QuoteI happen to know some physicians Me too - I've been dating one for over a year. And I hear all kinds of horror stories including the one where she herself was discharged to walk home alone with a concussion after a jogging accident, apparently because she didn't have any ID or evidence of insurance on her at the time. Seriously considering a lawsuit over that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 November 16, 2012 Conditions are so bad for doctors in Canada that we now have more doctors than ever. Rate of increase in number of doctors over the last 5 years: 14% Rate of increase in population over that same time: 4.7% Are things perfect? No, but they aren't as bad as many would like you to believe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #5 November 16, 2012 All for healthcare reform, jumps on lawsuit ambulance. Tort reform still needs to be part of the fix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 November 16, 2012 ACA missed the mark on the 2 things most wrong with the healthcare system; affordability and access. In fact, you really only have to fix affordability and the other problems take care of themselves. ACA = FailPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 November 16, 2012 QuoteSeriously considering a lawsuit over that. I've already suggested EMTALA lawsuit. But - what's her thought on the other side of the practice of medicine? As a provider. Are things better for her now than they were, say, twenty years ago? Does she see the climate as being down a good road in the future? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #8 November 16, 2012 I know two doctors personally that are stressing over the need to install $100,000 computer systems for government managed medical records. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 November 16, 2012 Anyone that can afford a $100k computer system should not be bitching about anything and should be taxed heavily. Think the avergae citizen can afford $100k computer systems? Nobody is forcing those 1 percenters to be doctors. They should quit bitching and provide free care to all. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #11 November 16, 2012 QuoteAll for healthcare reform, jumps on lawsuit ambulance. Tort reform still needs to be part of the fix. Prima facie EMTALA violation. How else do you suggest fixing? Just let hospitals get away with it? Anyhow, it's her decision, not mine, and she's an MD.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #12 November 16, 2012 I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but lawsuits cost us all. Period. It's a thin line, I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #13 November 16, 2012 >I know two doctors personally that are stressing over the need to install $100,000 >computer systems for government managed medical records. Have him call me. Medical records systems will run on standard Windows servers. I'll sell him one for half that then go down to Best Buy and get the hardware for $1000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #14 November 16, 2012 Quote Have him call me. Medical records systems will run on standard Windows servers. I'll sell him one for half that then go down to Best Buy and get the hardware for $1000. Ours is internet based--running off of the providers servers, so it will run on anything that can access the web. Of course the software was expensive to purchase and required a lot of staff time for both installation and maintenance."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #15 November 16, 2012 QuoteI can appreciate both sides of the argument, but lawsuits cost us all. Period. It's a thin line, I know. Yep. And when we have universal healthcare there will be no incentive for hospitals to violate EMTALA. My GF is an MD, definitely a member of the 1%, but goes jogging looking like an indigent which, apparently, is how the ER folks viewed her when she was brought in semi conscious with no ID. I'm sure if she had her own hospital ID on her the treatment would have been quite different.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 November 16, 2012 John, only you could have a thread that starts with most doctors agreeing on something, and turn it around to the ER docs were idiots in a matter of minutes. Who do you think you are, Mitt? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #17 November 16, 2012 Quote John, only you could have a thread that starts with most doctors agreeing on something, and turn it around to the ER docs were idiots in a matter of minutes. Who do you think you are, Mitt? Having a little reading problem this afternoon? Didn't say they were idiots. This specific ER doc was venal, maybe, but not (necessarily) an idiot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 November 16, 2012 Kallend referred to the ER physician as a "doc." His stance is softening a bit. Sincerely, Lawrocket, JD. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #19 November 17, 2012 QuoteI happen to know some physicians and it's been a while since I've seen one that does not think that there are significant problems with the healthcare industry and that the road chosen by our Fearless Leader makes it even worse. Why aren't doctors satisfied? The chief complaints I hear are: (1) Aren't allowed to practice medicine as they wish because of limitations placed by third party payors. (2) Too many patients with new manicures complaining about a copay (3) Cost cutting measures accomplished by cutting pay to them; and (4) The continuous devaluing of the practice of medicine by policies that increase the role of PAs and nurses. Doctors really get shit on a lot. 1) They can just not accept any insurance -- two of my wife's doctors are like that. They are quite reasonably priced, compared to most doctors I use. 2) And some doctors waive the co-pay. 3) US expenses are high across the board, but doctor median income is a much higher multiple of patient median income than it is in European countries. 4) That is like saying a skilled auto tech is pissed that they are using less trained people to change oil and rotate tires. It increases the value of the doctor, not decreases it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #20 November 17, 2012 And more: abcnews.go.com/Health/us-grade-premature-births/story?id=17707747#.UKfGUIdX0uc "U.S. Gets 'C' Grade in Premature Births" "According to the March of Dimes and the World Health Organization, an estimated 15 million babies are born prematurely worldwide, and one million of those infants die because of it. In a global report issued by the March of Dimes and several partners in May of this year, the U.S. ranked poorly at 131 out of 184, far behind counties such as a France, China, and the U.K." Isn't it time conservatives stopped kidding themselves that the US has the world's best healthcare system?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites