SkymonkeyONE 4 #1 November 16, 2012 If you are not a US citizen then please log off right now. I NEVER, EVER post religious or political posts, but here it comes: We, the United States Of America have subsidized the Gross National Product of every nation we "created" after WWII like Isreal and Liberia to our own demise. Man, I love me some democracy and independance, but if we, the US citizens, are the only means of YOUR livelihood and independance then you have a problem. Our LEGITIMATE citizenship suffers and we are at a turning point. It is my opinion, as a 21-year-retiree from the US army Special Forces that I should not have to die for your failure to defend your own turf. I'm a mono-theist. Do you all understand what that is? It means that all Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, and Jews all believe in one true God. That means I think that people in Northern Ireland and Ireland are idiots for killing each other over the Catholic VS Protestant idiotic argument. YOU ARE BOTH CHRISTIANS! Likewise, in the middle east; SHIA vs SHITE is STUPID because you are both mono-thiests who worshp the same GOD with only a very-small degree of "you are wrong" and "We are right". IN the USA it's even more ridiculous: Mormons (HAHAHA), versus Jehovahs Witnesses (HAHAHA), versus, snake-handling Southern Baptists (HAHAHA), versus Pentecostal Holiness Church of God Snake Handlers (HAHAHAHA), versus Roman Catholic pedophiles (HAHAHA) all swear that THEY are the only ones going upstairs and EVERYONE else is going to hell. (HAHAHAHAHA). Could you all PLEASE get over yourselves?. It truly fascinates( and frightens) me that every "powerfull" religion in the world all worship the SAME god, yet they all venture to destroy each other. Stupid, stupid people. Don't ask me to fight your stupid, stupid religious wars. You got a problem with that? Don't come to the USA and take my job opportunites when you could be home fighting your own stupid war against fellow mono-theists. Retards. Need a history lesson? watch some damn documentaries, read books other than what you were indoctrinated with. It's not my job to save you and it's not your job to save me; i've got my end under control. PS: I'm tired of paying 60% of ANY country's GNP . If YOUR stupid conflict starts MY country's end of days then I can promise you that all of you religious zealots will only succeed in pissing off those of us who can live without government subsidies. Stupid, stupid people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 November 16, 2012 Canada has gotten off extremely easy not having to spend money on it's national defense. So whenever people talk about Canada's social services like they are some sort of success story, just remember we would not be able to afford them if we were forced to pay for our own defense. Canada has a lot of natural resources others would kill for. So for those of us who's heads split in two when we talk, we thank you Monkey man. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #3 November 16, 2012 You hit the nail on the head there for sure Chuck. Religious differences make a lot of people stupid. I really do want the USA to stop sending so much of our money to other countries to keep them propped up. Pakistan? FUCK THEM. Afghanistan? Enough already! We got Bin Laden, get the fuck out of there and leave them to their own hell hole. There are a lot more but you get the idea. Fuck em all."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #4 November 16, 2012 Quote I'm a mono-theist. Do you all understand what that is? It means that all Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, and Jews all believe in one true God. My understanding is that adherents of the Jewish faith--IMHO with some justification--consider themselves to be more purely monotheistic than some of the other faiths you've mentioned. The reason is that they believe in G-d alone--they don't feel the need to throw in wildcards like 'the father', 'the son', and the 'holy ghost'. Not to mention those folks who believe in ridiculous things like 'siva' and 'ganesha'. "It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #5 November 16, 2012 Sorry Chuck, but Catholics are not mono-theist. They are the only Judeo-Christian poly-theist group out there. They still have God, Jehova, Yaweh or whoever in charge (that "No God Before Me" commandment thingy). And the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is sort of a "Three-In-One" (you know, like the oil). But Catholics also pray to all the saints. Which are minor deities. Lesser Gods if you will. The Big Guy is busy, so if you have a hopeless cause, pray to St Jude. If you are travelling, pray to St Christopher. For animals (other than man) St Francis is the one. Lots and lots of minor dieties. But unlike the Hindus, they are called "saints' instead of "gods"."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #6 November 16, 2012 QuoteSorry Chuck, but Catholics are not mono-theist. They are the only Judeo-Christian poly-theist group out there. They still have God, Jehova, Yaweh or whoever in charge (that "No God Before Me" commandment thingy). And the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is sort of a "Three-In-One" (you know, like the oil). But Catholics also pray to all the saints. Which are minor deities. Lesser Gods if you will. The Big Guy is busy, so if you have a hopeless cause, pray to St Jude. If you are travelling, pray to St Christopher. For animals (other than man) St Francis is the one. Don't forget Maryolatry.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #7 November 16, 2012 QuoteCanada has gotten off extremely easy not having to spend money on it's national defense. So whenever people talk about Canada's social services like they are some sort of success story, just remember we would not be able to afford them if we were forced to pay for our own defense. Canada has a lot of natural resources others would kill for. So for those of us who's heads split in two when we talk, we thank you Monkey man. Who exactly is threatening Canada?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #9 November 16, 2012 QuoteWho exactly is threatening Canada? Most of SkyMonkey's post was in reference to religious intolerance around the globe which isn't a huge issue here though we do have small pockets of intolerance. But part of his post also talked about the US spending money on it's military to protect geographic interests of theirs around the globe and what better country than the 2nd largest land mass in the world is there for the US to be concerned about when it comes to natural resources. Pick up an atlas and select any country that has a navy and that country would already be in Canada seeking to help themselves to our natural resources if it wasn't for the protection the US gives us. You damn well know this coming from the colonial country of your origins. Or must you argue with everyone? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #10 November 16, 2012 I'm pretty sure most countries 'liberated' by US didn't ask for it. Israel might be the only exception. So don't get mad at countries willing to exploit your governments eagerness to spend its resources in foreign lands. Get mad at your own government cause that is the source of all this ire.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #11 November 16, 2012 QuoteSorry Chuck, but Catholics are not mono-theist. They are the only Judeo-Christian poly-theist group out there. They still have God, Jehova, Yaweh or whoever in charge (that "No God Before Me" commandment thingy). And the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is sort of a "Three-In-One" (you know, like the oil). But Catholics also pray to all the saints. Which are minor deities. Lesser Gods if you will. The Big Guy is busy, so if you have a hopeless cause, pray to St Jude. If you are travelling, pray to St Christopher. For animals (other than man) St Francis is the one. Lots and lots of minor dieties. But unlike the Hindus, they are called "saints' instead of "gods". A logical interpretation for sure, but not how they see it. Catholic dogma is that saints are not in any way a deity but sort of add weight to a prayer. The catholic prays to the saint who prays for the catholic. Kinda like a lobby group so god pays more attention - ironic given god's supposed to be omnipresent. The saint doesn’t do squat themselves, unless so directed by god to use powers given to them by god. Likewise the holy trinity thing was a big problem for the early christian church which caused lots of arguments and even splits as they were supposed to be monotheistic and people kept pointing out there were actually a number of peeps to pray to. So they came up with the interesting thought experiment (kinda quantum physics 1500 years before we knew it) where they were three expressions of the same entity, but still only one dude. Catholics say they’re monotheistic and their dogma complies with that title. It's their rule book, I don't think anyone else has cause to argue. It's like American Football is largely played with the hands but it's still called Football. Why should round-ball football aficionado’s argue - it's not their game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #12 November 16, 2012 QuoteSorry Chuck, but Catholics are not mono-theist. They are the only Judeo-Christian poly-theist group out there. They still have God, Jehova, Yaweh or whoever in charge (that "No God Before Me" commandment thingy). And the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is sort of a "Three-In-One" (you know, like the oil). But Catholics also pray to all the saints. Which are minor deities. Lesser Gods if you will. The Big Guy is busy, so if you have a hopeless cause, pray to St Jude. If you are travelling, pray to St Christopher. For animals (other than man) St Francis is the one. Lots and lots of minor dieties. But unlike the Hindus, they are called "saints' instead of "gods". I think there is a legitimate argument that most Christian denominations are poly. Many of the churches I've been to take OT text and replace G_d with Jesus and often turn it into a song. If they are 'one', why do that? There are Unitarian denominations that reject the idea of the Trinity. Given the controversy of the origins of the concept (Comma Johanneum), I'm surprised more people don't reject it. I agree with the OP that IF there is one god, you would think it was a short trip from agreement on that point and laying down arms that were taken up over religion. However, human nature just doesn't seem to allow it. I was once touring Cades Cover in the Smoky Mountains. It is a valley that was settled by a few families in the early history of the region. On the motor tour, I stopped at the re-built '1st Baptist Church' where the sign explained which families built it. There were only a handful of families in the valley. They all participated. The next stop was at the '2nd Baptist Church'. Some of the families broke off and had to build another church. Guess what the third stop was? Only about six families in this isolated valley. All were Baptist. But they ended up with three churches because of religious disagreement.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #13 November 16, 2012 QuoteCanada has gotten off extremely easy not having to spend money on it's national defense. So whenever people talk about Canada's social services like they are some sort of success story, just remember we would not be able to afford them if we were forced to pay for our own defense. Canada has a lot of natural resources others would kill for. So for those of us who's heads split in two when we talk, we thank you Monkey man. That is one opinion, yes. When you live next door to the biggest kid in the schoolyard, life tends to be different. Hasn't seemed to work out quite so well for the citizens of Mexico though. Therefore, I prefer to think we don't militarize quite so much because we also don't run around the schoolyard pissing the other kids off. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,482 #14 November 16, 2012 AmenNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 November 16, 2012 I'd like the US to stop being the security umbrella for all of its allies, and all of Western Europe, as it has been since 1945. Why? Every single one of those nations, without exception, has some form of truly universal, non employment-required health coverage for its citizens. The US is THE ONLY modern, industrialized "democratic" country that has not. One major (even if not the only) reason for both of those facts, is the amount of money the US spends on its multi-trillion dollar global military, and the amount of money those other countries have NOT spend footing the bill for their own defense umbrellas. To those in the US who gullibly use the euphemism "defense" for "military" (remember, before WWII the "Department of Defense" used to be the Department of War) - the same cohort that generally derides tax dollars being used for "welfare", "entitlements", etc., remember this: much of the tax dollars you think are being spent on "defense" ARE welfare: they're paying a huge chunk of the bill so every European citizen, regardless of employment status, has guaranteed health coverage for himself and his family, while so many million of Americans who do not have employment-provided health coverage go largely uninsured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #16 November 16, 2012 AMEN !!! to that, SmONE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #17 November 16, 2012 I read my Bible everyday. I truly believe we are in the End of Days. It will take some time to play out. When the armies gather for the showdown at Armageddon there is now mention of a great power from the west.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #18 November 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteSorry Chuck, but Catholics are not mono-theist. They are the only Judeo-Christian poly-theist group out there. They still have God, Jehova, Yaweh or whoever in charge (that "No God Before Me" commandment thingy). And the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is sort of a "Three-In-One" (you know, like the oil). But Catholics also pray to all the saints. Which are minor deities. Lesser Gods if you will. The Big Guy is busy, so if you have a hopeless cause, pray to St Jude. If you are travelling, pray to St Christopher. For animals (other than man) St Francis is the one. Lots and lots of minor dieties. But unlike the Hindus, they are called "saints' instead of "gods". A logical interpretation for sure, but not how they see it. Catholic dogma is that saints are not in any way a deity but sort of add weight to a prayer. The catholic prays to the saint who prays for the catholic. Kinda like a lobby group so god pays more attention - ironic given god's supposed to be omnipresent. The saint doesn’t do squat themselves, unless so directed by god to use powers given to them by god. Likewise the holy trinity thing was a big problem for the early christian church which caused lots of arguments and even splits as they were supposed to be monotheistic and people kept pointing out there were actually a number of peeps to pray to. So they came up with the interesting thought experiment (kinda quantum physics 1500 years before we knew it) where they were three expressions of the same entity, but still only one dude. Catholics say they’re monotheistic and their dogma complies with that title. It's their rule book, I don't think anyone else has cause to argue. It's like American Football is largely played with the hands but it's still called Football. Why should round-ball football aficionado’s argue - it's not their game. I know they don't see it that way. I was raised Catholic. And when I asked "If God is in charge, and the commandment says "No God Before Me", then why do we pray to the saints?" I was basically told that "God is very busy and the saints help him out." And when I asked if they were "Assistant Gods" I was strongly reprimanded that there was only ONE God. Suffice to say when I asked about the timing of both Christmas and Easter, it didn't improve the situation. And my post was tongue in cheek. I figured that comparing the Holy Trinity to Three-In-One oil would make that clear."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #19 November 16, 2012 QuoteI'd like the US to stop being the security umbrella for all of its allies, and all of Western Europe, as it has been since 1945. Why? Every single one of those nations, without exception, has some form of truly universal, non employment-required health coverage for its citizens. The US is THE ONLY modern, industrialized "democratic" country that has not. One major (even if not the only) reason for both of those facts, is the amount of money the US spends on its multi-trillion dollar global military, and the amount of money those other countries have NOT spend footing the bill for their own defense umbrellas. To those in the US who gullibly use the euphemism "defense" for "military" (remember, before WWII the "Department of Defense" used to be the Department of War) - the same cohort that generally derides tax dollars being used for "welfare", "entitlements", etc., remember this: much of the tax dollars you think are being spent on "defense" ARE welfare: they're paying a huge chunk of the bill so every European citizen, regardless of employment status, has guaranteed health coverage for himself and his family, while so many million of Americans who do not have employment-provided health coverage go largely uninsured. You have made that point in several posts in the past. I never made the comparison in that light until now. It makes good sense to me. Decrease massive defense spending but, increase the budget to SOCOM. I love those black ops, covert, counterinsurgency, sneaky warriors.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #20 November 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'd like the US to stop being the security umbrella for all of its allies, and all of Western Europe, as it has been since 1945. Why? Every single one of those nations, without exception, has some form of truly universal, non employment-required health coverage for its citizens. The US is THE ONLY modern, industrialized "democratic" country that has not. One major (even if not the only) reason for both of those facts, is the amount of money the US spends on its multi-trillion dollar global military, and the amount of money those other countries have NOT spend footing the bill for their own defense umbrellas. To those in the US who gullibly use the euphemism "defense" for "military" (remember, before WWII the "Department of Defense" used to be the Department of War) - the same cohort that generally derides tax dollars being used for "welfare", "entitlements", etc., remember this: much of the tax dollars you think are being spent on "defense" ARE welfare: they're paying a huge chunk of the bill so every European citizen, regardless of employment status, has guaranteed health coverage for himself and his family, while so many million of Americans who do not have employment-provided health coverage go largely uninsured. You have made that point in several posts in the past. I never made the comparison in that light until now. It makes good sense to me. Decrease massive defense spending but, increase the budget to SOCOM. I love those black ops, covert, counterinsurgency, sneaky warriors. Put a little simplistically, every euro an unemployed European doesn't have to pay at the docs' office and is thus able to save to pump back into his own country's economy - because the US-supplied defense umbrella frees up more euros to pay for his social safety net - is a dollar paid out of an American taxpayer's pocket. If, in his gut of guts, a conservative American resents paying for some other unemployed American's social safety net entitlements, why the hell does he tolerate being forced to pay for, say, an unemployed Frenchman's social safety net? At least the money some American "welfare queen" spends on soda and ciggies stays in the American economy. Ideologically, it's conservative Americans who are really getting fucked up the ass by this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #21 November 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteWho exactly is threatening Canada? Most of SkyMonkey's post was in reference to religious intolerance around the globe which isn't a huge issue here though we do have small pockets of intolerance. But part of his post also talked about the US spending money on it's military to protect geographic interests of theirs around the globe and what better country than the 2nd largest land mass in the world is there for the US to be concerned about when it comes to natural resources. Pick up an atlas and select any country that has a navy and that country would already be in Canada seeking to help themselves to our natural resources if it wasn't for the protection the US gives us. You damn well know this coming from the colonial country of your origins. Or must you argue with everyone? So why weren't those countries with navies invading Canada prior to WWII, when the "US Umbrella" wasn't in place? Your argument lacks logic.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #22 November 16, 2012 Well said !!! Hopefully we will be able to elect someone with common sense some day. But since the majority totally lack it, the prospect is doubtful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 November 16, 2012 QuoteWe, the United States Of America have subsidized the Gross National Product of every nation we "created" after WWII like Isreal and Liberia to our own demise. Man, I love me some democracy and independance, but if we, the US citizens, are the only means of YOUR livelihood and independance then you have a problem. Our LEGITIMATE citizenship suffers and we are at a turning point. It is my opinion, as a 21-year-retiree from the US army Special Forces that I should not have to die for your failure to defend your own turf. So your country has fucked up royally doing that and now you are blaming the people in other countries? Way to take responsibility for your actions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #24 November 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteI read my Bible everyday. I truly believe we are in the End of Days. It will take some time to play out. When the armies gather for the showdown at Armageddon there is now mention of a great power from the west. Why do you think your different from all of the other generations that believed they were living in the end of times? The NT clearly states that those living at the time the Gospels were written would see the second coming of Jesus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #25 November 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI read my Bible everyday. I truly believe we are in the End of Days. It will take some time to play out. When the armies gather for the showdown at Armageddon there is now mention of a great power from the west. Why do you think your different from all of the other generations that believed they were living in the end of times? The NT clearly states that those living at the time the Gospels were written would see the second coming of Jesus. Geez man, ya gotta stop thinking it was written like a tech manual.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites