jgoose71 0 #1 November 14, 2012 At least for such car magazines as: Motor Trends http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/ Automobile http://www.automobilemag.com/features/awards/1301_2013_automobile_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/viewall.html And Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/tesla-model-2013-yahoo-autos-car-165907072.html Like I have said in the past, the reason the Volt failed is because you are paying $50,000 for a $16,000 car. The Tesla Model S may cost $50- $100 grand, but compared to other cars in it's price range, it is on par or maybe even better. That is why they are selling. Read the reviews."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 November 14, 2012 Seems to be a great car. QuoteThe Tesla Model S may cost $50- $100 grand, but compared to other cars in it's price range, it is on par or maybe even better. I think this is an important point, too. It can get you where you want to go on a charge. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 November 15, 2012 Quote I think this is an important point, too. It can get you where you want to go on a charge. bear in mind that the range varies considerably with price, which gets you more battery packs. The 260 mile cite is for the highest priced model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 November 15, 2012 I saw that. But for most daily drivers, the 40kw is goign to be sufficient. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CygnusX-1 43 #5 November 15, 2012 I would so buy a Model S if I had the disposable income for that car. Unfortunately, I skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #6 November 15, 2012 Mototrend is so full of BS. They are completely political in terms of the car(s) they want to promote. There are numerous other cars out there that will put the Tesla to shame. By the way how many races has the Tesla won? Could the Tesla even hold up in a race? If there was a real "Car of the Year", you know a car that was actually worthy of that title, it should be awarded to the Audi R18 which won the 2012 "24 Hours of Lemans" race. Now there was a car that was pushed to the limit and was still running strong after a full day of constant abuse. http://www.lemans.org/en/races/24h/update/audi-take-historic-win-at-the-80th-24-hours-with-r18-hybrid-_7952.html By the way before people freak out thinking I am slamming Green cars, the Audi R18 is a hybrid. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 November 15, 2012 QuoteMototrend is so full of BS. They are completely political in terms of the car(s) they want to promote. There are numerous other cars out there that will put the Tesla to shame. By the way how many races has the Tesla won? Could the Tesla even hold up in a race? If there was a real "Car of the Year", you know a car that was actually worthy of that title, it should be awarded to the Audi R18 which won the 2012 "24 Hours of Lemans" race. Now there was a car that was pushed to the limit and was still running strong after a full day of constant abuse. X of the year awards generally go to top sellers, or ground breaking products, not ones that are just the latest level of refinement. The Audi is neither. Whereas the S is the first electric car with real triple digit range and any sort of availability (which isn't true for their original roadster with 2 seats only). What other car will put it to shame? None. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #8 November 15, 2012 QuoteWhat other car will put it to shame? None - The Porsche 911 GT3RS 4.0 will put this car to shame. Too expensive? - The Nissan GTR will put this car to shame. But silly me, I forgot since they are not electric they must be immediately disqualified from any consideration? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 November 15, 2012 Incoming brenthutch in 3, 2, 1... Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #10 November 15, 2012 >But silly me, I forgot since they are not electric they must be immediately disqualified >from any consideration? Have you driven one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 November 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat other car will put it to shame? None - The Porsche 911 GT3RS 4.0 will put this car to shame. Too expensive? - The Nissan GTR will put this car to shame. But silly me, I forgot since they are not electric they must be immediately disqualified from any consideration? Repeating: "X of the year awards generally go to top sellers, or ground breaking products, not ones that are just the latest level of refinement." People who want to buy an electric car have had to accept terrible range - as low as 30 or 40 miles, with none over 100. That makes it marginal for a simple drive from Berkeley to San Jose and back, and the 40 mile range is inadequate for many work commutes. The S is the first viable option, and seats 4 adults as well, unlike both of your listing. Don't like it? Write your own trade rag and select your own car of the year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 November 15, 2012 Quote Mototrend is so full of BS. They are completely political in terms of the car(s) they want to promote. There are numerous other cars out there that will put the Tesla to shame. By the way how many races has the Tesla won? Could the Tesla even hold up in a race? If there was a real "Car of the Year", you know a car that was actually worthy of that title, it should be awarded to the Audi R18 which won the 2012 "24 Hours of Lemans" race. Now there was a car that was pushed to the limit and was still running strong after a full day of constant abuse. http://www.lemans.org/en/races/24h/update/audi-take-historic-win-at-the-80th-24-hours-with-r18-hybrid-_7952.html By the way before people freak out thinking I am slamming Green cars, the Audi R18 is a hybrid. What's with all the anger? And why in the world are you expecting a 4-door sedan to beat a le mans supercar in a race? It's a really nice grocery getter...Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #13 November 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat other car will put it to shame? None - The Porsche 911 GT3RS 4.0 will put this car to shame. Too expensive? - The Nissan GTR will put this car to shame. But silly me, I forgot since they are not electric they must be immediately disqualified from any consideration? Which of these things is not like the others? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #14 November 15, 2012 QuoteHave you driven one? No ... and nobody has ever shown up to the track with a Tesla. How many laps can you get out of them driving at the limit before they need to be recharged. A lot of cars may appear to be zippy on the public roads, but if you want to know how a car really performs, you need to drive them at the limit and you can't safely drive a car at the limit on the public roads. Yes I know what Kelpdiver means when he defines what "Car of the Year" means to the masses. I just think it is crap because best sellers on the public roads don't tell you the real story. So while it may not be accepted by the masses, I still stand by the "A better recipient for Car of the Year" award if there was a car that stood out above all others, should go to the Audi R18. Here was a hybrid car that won one of the world's most grueling races, the "24 Hours of Lemans". That was an impressive performance. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #15 November 15, 2012 Meh. Hybrid cars have been winning F1 races for years now. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #16 November 15, 2012 Quote Meh. Hybrid cars have been winning F1 races for years now. Not when KERS fails. (Monaco being the exception to the rule) Modern F1 cars are awesome, their performance is pretty spectacular. But they are pretty fragile compared to their endurance LMP1 cousins who lap almost as fast. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #17 November 15, 2012 >No ... and nobody has ever shown up to the track with a Tesla. I'd highly recommend it. The car is . . . . different. ============== 2012 Tesla Model S Track Test By Mike Magrath, Features Editor | Published Aug 15, 2012 Inside Line tests hundreds of vehicles a year. Cars, trucks, SUVs, we run them all, and the numbers always tell a story. With that in mind we present "IL Track Tested," a quick rundown of all the data we collect at the track, along with comments direct from the test-drivers. Enjoy. According to Tesla founder (and possible evil genius) Elon Musk, the Tesla Model S is "the best car in the world." It's a bold statement from a bold man about a very bold car. But is the seven-passenger Model S really that good? So far our brief drives have left us very impressed. And we will publish an extensive full test soon where we will examine the sedan's range and consumption. Today, however, is track day. Tesla agreed to truck a Model S to Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, California exclusively for Inside Line, so we could put the EV through our usual battery of instrumented tests. The world's first test of the new sedan. How does it perform? Impressively. This thing is fast. ============= Porsche Panamera GTS vs. Tesla Model S Track Test What Do You Get for $100K These Days Anyway? By Ed Hellwig, Editor Published Aug 29, 2012 When we ran the first official test numbers of the Tesla Model S two weeks ago, the results were nothing short of astonishing. Here was a 4,770-pound sedan that could launch from zero to 60 mph in 4.0 seconds flat and continue on to a 12.6-second quarter-mile. That's fast for any car, let alone an electric sedan the size of the Model S. So where does that put the Model S in terms of the established players in the big-buck, super-sedan segment? You know, the one with all the AMGs, the Ms and the Ss. Well, the closest competitor we could find in terms of price, performance and size is the Porsche Panamera, more specifically, the Panamera GTS. It's the top-of-the-line, non-turbocharged model and it runs $111K to start. It has a 4.8-liter V8, a seven-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive. So there you have it, two six-figure sedans with all the trimmings and the curb weights to prove it. Does the Tesla really measure up to the Porsche? Or is it a one-trick pony that merely goes fast in a straight line thanks to the instant torque of its electric motor? Check the numbers and the comments for yourself to see just how far the electric car has come. ================ >So while it may not be accepted by the masses, I still stand by the "A better >recipient for Car of the Year" award if there was a car that stood out above all >others, should go to the Audi R18. In terms of pure speed the Audi R18 can't hold a candle to the Bugatti Veyron. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #18 November 15, 2012 QuotePorsche Panamera GTS vs. Tesla Model S Track Test I think you just gave Canuck a aneurysm by mentioning the "P" word...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 November 15, 2012 First off...I understand what you are saying and yes, top performance is important in someways. But....The magazines are for consumers and product bias aside, the ratings are geared toward the Moms and Pops of the world...not the racing crowd. My replies are along those lines. Quote No ... and nobody has ever shown up to the track with a Tesla. How many laps can you get out of them driving at the limit before they need to be recharged. Who cares how many laps? Quote if you want to know how a car really performs, you need to drive them at the limit... I disagree. It's more important for me to know how it's going to perform under the conditions that I will normally be using it and I don't have to put it on a track to discover that. Quote and you can't safely drive a car at the limit on the public roads. And that's the point of it all. Why do I need to know how a car is going to perform at 150 mph when I'll never be going that Fast? It's pointless. Quote ...should go to the Audi R18. Here was a hybrid car that won one of the world's most grueling races, the "24 Hours of Lemans". That was an impressive performance. All congrats to the Audi! Now tell why should I care and when would I ever need to push it hard for 24 hrs...my grocery store is much closer than that. Besides all that, the way my ex drives, it would be taking much more punishment than any 24 hr race would ever put out, My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #20 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Porsche Panamera GTS vs. Tesla Model S Track Test I think you just gave Canuck a aneurysm by mentioning the "P" word... Panameras are ugly. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #21 November 15, 2012 I will admit my opinions are heavily bias towards how a car performs at the track. If you are looking for a car to get you to and from the food store, then any recommendations I make are total over kill. A Yugo, Lada or Ford Pinto will do the trick if you can still find one that works. But if you do find a Pinto, make sure you don't get rear ended. It will be the death of you. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 November 15, 2012 Quote But if you do find a Pinto, make sure you don't get rear ended. It will be the death of you. It's also embarrassing when the old ladies are passing you at 40mph.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 November 16, 2012 Quote Yes I know what Kelpdiver means when he defines what "Car of the Year" means to the masses I defined nothing. I told you how these sorts of magazines do it. It's no different with the bicycle or motorcycle or dive magazines, who exist based on advertising and run the same articles on a 6 month rotation. They will pick the products that are new or extremely well selling and most likely to want ad space. And let's not forget, this is MotorTRENDS magazine, not Road and TRACK. Your personal wish for how it would be determined seems more suitable there. There is no trend towards people buying 6 figure audis for 24 hour racing jaunts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 November 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Porsche Panamera GTS vs. Tesla Model S Track Test I think you just gave Canuck a aneurysm by mentioning the "P" word... Panameras are ugly. Give me a Panameras S and I would drive the piss out of it! It might be ugly but I have 2 kids and just bought a mini-van to go in the stable with the Jetta Sportwagon and hotrod Superbeetle (and motorcycles, which don't help with the kid thing). If I sold all my vehicles I *might* could afford one.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #25 November 16, 2012 Quote Mototrend is so full of BS. They are completely political in terms of the car(s) they want to promote. There are numerous other cars out there that will put the Tesla to shame. By the way how many races has the Tesla won? Could the Tesla even hold up in a race? If there was a real "Car of the Year", you know a car that was actually worthy of that title, it should be awarded to the Audi R18 which won the 2012 "24 Hours of Lemans" race. Now there was a car that was pushed to the limit and was still running strong after a full day of constant abuse. http://www.lemans.org/en/races/24h/update/audi-take-historic-win-at-the-80th-24-hours-with-r18-hybrid-_7952.html By the way before people freak out thinking I am slamming Green cars, the Audi R18 is a hybrid. wow calm down lad' lol Just a car! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
