Gravitymaster 0 #51 November 8, 2012 Quote Quote Don't you just love how these out of touch extreme left wingers feel perfectly justified to jump in here and start telling Conservative right wingers what they need to do to win elections? It's actually pretty simple. Just convince a few groups, like women, hispanics and a few other minorities that it's rich white guys causing all their pain and that you will give them some free goodies if they vote for your guy. Then add in some scare tactics such as the other guy will take this or that away from you. What a sad party the Democrats have become. Certainly not the party of JFK. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". I usually don't talk like this on the forum........ but get a clue! You almost sound as bad as this asshat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFcAzIWOHpU&feature=share) talking about the people just voting for Obama because 'they want things.' Sure, I'm a woman and I leaned towards Obama for 'wanting things,' like you and Bill say. Sure, I wanted things like equal rights for all, decisions for laws not being based around any one religion, etc. Sorry, I don't feel bad for wanting those things! Sounds to me like you're going to be the part of the republican party that continues to kick and scream and cry through all of this. That it's everybody but your own faults that this is happening. While some have taken the approach that the party needs to change and realign itself with the changing society. The far right religious 'white establishment' will not win elections anymore. Especially not as more time goes by and newer generations of young Americans are more open minded and progressive. There have been many articles on exactly this topic the past few years, and many more the last few days since the election because this was a wake up call for an issue they were afraid was going to happen. Just read this one this morn: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/07/election-results-raise-questions-about-christian-rights-influence/?hpt=hp_bn3 You can continue to kick, scream, and cry, or you can step out of the box and realize that the party needs to make changes and become a little more centrist with some social issues if they want to get the centrist or independent voters. As an independent, I hope they realize this and makes change in time for 2016. I'd love to give them consideration for my vote! Typical Obama voter. No concern what so ever about the coming financial crisis. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME?Wait until the shit hits the fan and there's nobody there to make all the bad things go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #52 November 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe lost because the country is near the tipping point, if not already over; So according to you the GOP spent billions on a race they could not win? Not really a great example of fiscal prudence. The difference is was their money to spend. A concept most Democrats and many Republicans fail to grasp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #53 November 8, 2012 QuoteHe hasn't done everything that he can do for equal rights yet, but he's at least moving in the right direction. He's had four years and hasn't done jack shit. That's not movement in the right direction. His whole policy towards equal rights is to do nothing and let the courts sort it out over the next few terms. QuoteSo far he's done more for gays/lesbians than any recently presidents before him. Bullshit. Courts have done it. The Log Cabin Republicans did more for gay rights by successfully challenging DADT. Only then did the President and his cloture-certain Congress do anything - while the Congress was lame duck and DADT had already been enjoined. Do you recall last election? Where he was not in favor of gay marriage? I do. Look at the REAL reasons, because if "equal rights" is your reason, then reasoning is absent. You just "feel" he's going the right way. QuoteI think DOMA will eventually be tackled. Yep. Not by this President. He'll let the Courts tackle it for him. Then when it's thrown out he'll put out an executive order that DOMA won't be enforced and take the credit for it and be fawned over as our first gay president. It's worked twice already. Why not keep the strategy? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #54 November 8, 2012 QuoteOK. So if that is your postmortem on what happened, what can the republican party do to combat that in the future? How can they convince the middle voters to believe they are the "feel good" party with the "feel good" guy? By continuing to espouse conservative values and fiscal responsibility. Something too many have forgotten. Just look at what issues some of the very people posting on this site claim are important. Do people really think that it's perfectly OK to have huge numbers of the population on some type of government hand-out that originates from a program they haven't contributed to? Is getting "free healthcare" more important if it causes our economy to explode? These are the issues that got Romney as close to winning as he did. It was also the schizophrenic change in those ideas that blurred the differences between him and Obama. Many voters just didn't see enough of a difference so they went with the one that was most familiar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #55 November 8, 2012 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We lost because the country is near the tipping point, if not already over; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So according to you the GOP spent billions on a race they could not win? Not really a great example of fiscal prudence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The difference is was their money to spend. A concept most Democrats and many Republicans fail to grasp. So a group who wastes their own money should be trusted with other's money? Or maybe they could win the race and in stead of blaming others, they should look at what they did wrong themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 November 8, 2012 It's weird. Take a look at the electoral map from 2012 as compared to 2008. 2012 - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/ElectoralCollege2012.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege2012.svg.png 2008 - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ElectoralCollege2008.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege2008.svg.png The GOP gained North Carolina but other than that, fairly static. Also - Obama got 9-10 million fewer votes than in 2008. Sounds bad until you realize that Romney got 3 million fewer votes than McCain did in 2008 (and McCain was a pretty awful candidate). It seems to me that both sides have problems. Big ones. Part of it, in my mind, is the lack of a clear choice between the parties. Obama got about 10 million FEWER votes this election. And STILL won. But - the GOP is in much bigger trouble. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #57 November 8, 2012 QuoteAlso - Obama got 9-10 million fewer votes than in 2008. Sounds bad until you realize that Romney got 3 million fewer votes than McCain did in 2008 (and McCain was a pretty awful candidate). It seems to me that both sides have problems. Big ones. Part of it, in my mind, is the lack of a clear choice between the parties. Obama got about 10 million FEWER votes this election. And STILL won. But - the GOP is in much bigger trouble. Have to take into account two other things. Sandy, which greatly reduced voter turnout in traditional Democratic states and total reduced voter turnout. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #58 November 8, 2012 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We lost because the country is near the tipping point, if not already over; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So according to you the GOP spent billions on a race they could not win? Not really a great example of fiscal prudence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The difference is was their money to spend. A concept most Democrats and many Republicans fail to grasp. So a group who wastes their own money should be trusted with other's money? Or maybe they could win the race and in stead of blaming others, they should look at what they did wrong themselves? They spent money on a cause that the money was given for. I know this is a difficult concept for many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,463 #59 November 8, 2012 Hi rocket, QuoteBut - the GOP is in much bigger trouble. I am OK with that. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #60 November 8, 2012 >Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME? Which makes her . . like every other voter in the US, voting for the person who will best benefit them and best aligns with their vision of what they want the future to be. How many republicans don't care about how much tax they pay? Don't care about the stability of their jobs? Don't care about the state of their roads? >Wait until the shit hits the fan and there's nobody there to make all the bad things go >away. Oh, so now it's all about you and avoiding the shit-flinging fan, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #61 November 8, 2012 No, I haven't. I don't think anybody is saying that Sandy knocked out ten percent of the Democratic vote. 9 or 10 million voters? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 November 8, 2012 That quite a stretch in a failed attempt to find a point, even for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #63 November 8, 2012 QuoteNo concern what so ever about the coming financial crisis. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME? Change the record bro, she didn't say anything like 'give ME stuff'. Surely you want the economy fixing because it will eventually benefit you and yours, so by your twisted logic you voted the way you did based on what they were gonna to do for YOU.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #64 November 8, 2012 Quote Quote No concern what so ever about the coming financial crisis. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME? Change the record bro, she didn't say anything like 'give ME stuff'. Surely you want the economy fixing because it will eventually benefit you and yours, so by your twisted logic you voted the way you did based on what they were gonna to do for YOU. Typical twisted left wing "logic"(and I use that term loosley). Anything that benefits "me" that also benefits all of society is good. Anything that only benefits certain groups is purely egotistical. Personally, I rate having a roof over my head and food in my stomach as more important than social issues. But, hey that's just me being selfish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #65 November 8, 2012 Quote Quote Quote We lost because the country is near the tipping point, if not already over; So according to you the GOP spent billions on a race they could not win? Not really a great example of fiscal prudence. The difference is was their money to spend. A concept most Democrats and many Republicans fail to grasp. Sort of. Too much emphasis on fundraising and not enough on campaigning was the big killer. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-race-slipped-away-from-romney.html The GOP now needs to do what the Democratic Party did when they lost to Bush Jr. for the second time. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #66 November 8, 2012 Quote Oh, so now it's all about you and avoiding the shit-flinging fan, eh? Nothing bad about avoiding a shit-flinging fan. As far as the billions spent on the campaign -- well that is why the media called it a tie, so that the parties would throw even more advertising dollars their way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #67 November 8, 2012 >Personally, I rate having a roof over my head and food in my stomach as more >important than social issues. No concern what so ever about the coming social crises. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how much money I have. What are you gonna do for ME? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #68 November 8, 2012 Quote Quote Quote www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/8/ron-paul-election-shows-us-far-gone/ That's exactly the childish response I was expecting. Sore loser.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #69 November 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo concern what so ever about the coming financial crisis. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME? Change the record bro, she didn't say anything like 'give ME stuff'. Surely you want the economy fixing because it will eventually benefit you and yours, so by your twisted logic you voted the way you did based on what they were gonna to do for YOU. Typical twisted left wing "logic"(and I use that term loosley). Anything that benefits "me" that also benefits all of society is good. Anything that only benefits certain groups is purely egotistical. It's easy to say that when you're in the group that already has everything. So as long as you got yours then screw everyone else, eh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #70 November 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo concern what so ever about the coming financial crisis. Just ME..ME..ME... It all about me and how I feel. What are you gonna do for ME? Change the record bro, she didn't say anything like 'give ME stuff'. Surely you want the economy fixing because it will eventually benefit you and yours, so by your twisted logic you voted the way you did based on what they were gonna to do for YOU. Typical twisted left wing "logic"(and I use that term loosley). Anything that benefits "me" that also benefits all of society is good. Anything that only benefits certain groups is purely egotistical. It's easy to say that when you're in the group that already has everything. So as long as you got yours then screw everyone else, eh? The winner says "how did you do it? Can you teach me?" The loser says "you don't deserve it, so give it to me". The losers attitude is one of the many things wrong. Too much entitlement cry babies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #71 November 9, 2012 More than 3 million more Republicans voted for McCain than voted for Romney. IMO this is because Romney was viewed as too liberal. The lesson to be learned is the Republicans need to select more conservative candidates and stop trying to push moderates on their constituents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #72 November 9, 2012 QuoteMore than 3 million more Republicans voted for McCain than voted for Romney. IMO this is because Romney was viewed as too liberal. Romney was viewed as a privileged liar who'd say whatever his audience wanted to hear. Quote The lesson to be learned is the Republicans need to select more conservative candidates and stop trying to push moderates on their constituents. Great advice. I hope they do that and keep losing, because that's what will happen.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #73 November 9, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/8/ron-paul-election-shows-us-far-gone/ That's exactly the childish response I was expecting. Sore loser. Another childish response. Care to qualify for the nightly Trifecta? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #74 November 9, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/8/ron-paul-election-shows-us-far-gone/ That's exactly the childish response I was expecting. Sore loser. Another childish response. Care to qualify for the nightly Trifecta? Get over yourself. Your guy lost fair and square, as he should have done.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #75 November 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteMore than 3 million more Republicans voted for McCain than voted for Romney. IMO this is because Romney was viewed as too liberal. Romney was viewed as a privileged liar who'd say whatever his audience wanted to hear. Quote The lesson to be learned is the Republicans need to select more conservative candidates and stop trying to push moderates on their constituents. Great advice. I hope they do that and keep losing, because that's what will happen. Nope, our candidates only lose when they lean to the left too far as McCain and Romney did. By your logic, Democrats that lean right should win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
