ShcShc11 0 #1 November 1, 2012 http://i.huffpost.com/gen/842700/original.jpg ...and Number of questions asked about Global Warming in the past three debates: 0. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 November 1, 2012 Naw, Jesus did it 'cause of all those illegitimate rape abortions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #3 November 1, 2012 http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/01/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-blasts-al-gores-claims-that-global-warming-caused-hurricane-sandy/Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 November 1, 2012 Really? . . . Joe Bastardi . . . Really? Ok, guess there is some truth in advertising.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #5 November 1, 2012 Quote http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/01/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-blasts-al-gores-claims-that-global-warming-caused-hurricane-sandy/ He's a meteorologist, not a climate scientist. I'm sure this means very little to fox news viewers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #6 November 1, 2012 Can you point out where, and which climate scientist(s) claimed that Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming caused by manmade carbon emissions? And no; Al Gore is not a climate scientist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #7 November 1, 2012 Quote http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/01/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-blasts-al-gores-claims-that-global-warming-caused-hurricane-sandy/ Fox news Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #8 November 1, 2012 Not once did she say man made climate change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 November 1, 2012 Quote Gore’s claims “stunningly ignorant or stunningly deceptive.” According to Bastardi, such storms are nothing new, “In the 1950s […] 10 major hurricanes ran the eastern seaboard. Six hit the Carolinas northward in two years.” Let's just ignore the facts and go with whatever you think the government's willing to throw the most money on. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #10 November 1, 2012 QuoteCan you point out where, and which climate scientist(s) claimed that Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming caused by manmade carbon emissions? And no; Al Gore is not a climate scientist. No scientist worth their salt would say one way or another about a particular storm, especially not so soon after it. We can definitively say that the damage was worse as a result of global warming (the extra 10ish inches of sea level). We may also at some point look back at this storm and conclude it was consistent with a trend of increasingly severe weather, or we may look back on it as an outlier. Either way, we'll need a much wider lens than that afforded a couple days later. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 November 1, 2012 Quote Quote http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/01/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-blasts-al-gores-claims-that-global-warming-caused-hurricane-sandy/ Fox news Pot meet Kettle. You want to criticize FoxNews for their bias news coverage ... fine they are definitely bias ... but ... you think the Huffington Post is any different with their Leftist slant. What a fucking joke. Tell me which life size poster do you have in your room. The one of Dalton McGuilty or have you jumped on the Justin Trudeau is my hero bandwagon? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #12 November 1, 2012 Quote Quote Quote http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/01/meteorologist-joe-bastardi-blasts-al-gores-claims-that-global-warming-caused-hurricane-sandy/ Fox news Pot meet Kettle. You want to criticize FoxNews for their bias news coverage ... fine they are definitely bias ... but ... you think the Huffington Post is any different with their Leftist slant. What a fucking joke. Tell me which life size poster do you have in your room. The one of Dalton McGuilty or have you jumped on the Justin Trudeau is my hero bandwagon? LOLL. 1) The newscover is bloomberg (center with perhaps right-wing slant), not huffingtonpost. and seriously, foxnews is at the bottom... far worse than huff. 2) Look at my other posts on economics- always varied and from non-partisan sources. p-s: spoke to a few Liberals like Marc Garneau; they/he doesn't have that much belief on JT. Conservatives could probably stay in power until 2020 unless if the NDP radically shifts to the center-right. The Libs seem to be slowly but surely starving cash too. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #13 November 1, 2012 Quote Quote Can you point out where, and which climate scientist(s) claimed that Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming caused by manmade carbon emissions? And no; Al Gore is not a climate scientist. No scientist worth their salt would say one way or another about a particular storm, especially not so soon after it. We can definitively say that the damage was worse as a result of global warming (the extra 10ish inches of sea level). We may also at some point look back at this storm and conclude it was consistent with a trend of increasingly severe weather, or we may look back on it as an outlier. Either way, we'll need a much wider lens than that afforded a couple days later. Blues, Dave Can you tell me how 12 ft 10in of water is causing "SO MUCH" more damage then just 12ft of water.... Man is just a sea flea on a blue whale's tail in terms of Changing the planet.... The power of nature is gonna do what it does.... In the 4.3 billion plus yrs that this place we call earth has been a frozen ball and a tropical heatwave .. Life has come and gone.... 98% of all living things that once were here are now extinct... Our time will come and we too will fall on the extinction list... That is just the way the cosmos works... Whether it be a super volcano, space rock, Gamma ray burst from a super nova 5000 light yrs away or a virus, Are time will come. To me it shows how small minded people are that they think "MAN" somehow can control it... Live life to the fullest and don't sweat the stuff you can't control...Killler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 November 1, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Can you point out where, and which climate scientist(s) claimed that Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming caused by manmade carbon emissions? And no; Al Gore is not a climate scientist. No scientist worth their salt would say one way or another about a particular storm, especially not so soon after it. We can definitively say that the damage was worse as a result of global warming (the extra 10ish inches of sea level). We may also at some point look back at this storm and conclude it was consistent with a trend of increasingly severe weather, or we may look back on it as an outlier. Either way, we'll need a much wider lens than that afforded a couple days later. Blues, Dave Can you tell me how 12 ft 10in of water is causing "SO MUCH" more damage then just 12ft of water.... Man is just a sea flea on a blue whale's tail in terms of Changing the planet.... The power of nature is gonna do what it does.... In the 4.3 billion plus yrs that this place we call earth has been a frozen ball and a tropical heatwave .. Life has come and gone.... 98% of all living things that once were here are now extinct... Our time will come and we too will fall on the extinction list... That is just the way the cosmos works... Whether it be a super volcano, space rock, Gamma ray burst from a super nova 5000 light yrs away or a virus, Are time will come. To me it shows how small minded people are that they think "MAN" somehow can control it... Live life to the fullest and don't sweat the stuff you can't control...Killler First - I didn't even use a lower case version of "so much", so I'm not sure where you got the all caps out of my post. Second - the damage is all about critical elevations....the one inch that clears a seawall, the two more inches that reach that next subway, the inch beyond that takes out a hospital's backup generator, and decades worth of research at NYU. In any case, I'm not entirely convinced of anthropogenic warming yet, or at least not that our contribution is particularly large in the grand scheme of things, but debating the *cause* doesn't preclude managing the *effect*. Mitigation (greenhouse gas control) can wait a bit, but adaptation (i.e. preparing for the change, regardless of its cause) is becoming increasingly important. If we wait till there are water wars, unchecked desertification, annual flooding of coastal cities, (and did I mention water shortages?)then we'll be too late. Your argument that climates fluctuate and species go extinct and we will too is pretty disingenious. The fact that houses eventually fall apart doesn't keep most people from patching a leaky roof, and if you think there aren't things well within our control, you're not thinking hard enough. Better watershed management, water reclamation, desalination, diverse power supplies, increased sea walls, repopulated clam beds, the list goes on and on of things we can do to be more resilient in the face of a less friendly world. Feel free to go the way of the dinosaur if you want, but you'll have to forgive the rest of us who'd prefer to put that off a while. I thought this was a fun article, given it was written in September. Better was last year's report on Responding to Climate Change ...check Chapter 9 if you didn't understand what I said about critical elevations, as they called the subway shot, by vent and stairwell. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #15 November 2, 2012 In the last 25,000 yrs sea levels have raised over 400 ft and are still rising.... That is the way it is... People build a house on a beach and cry when they get washed out, They build on fault lines and cry when there is a earth quake... They rebuild New Orleans even though it below sea level and sinking lower and lower and they will cry the next time it's flooded out by a storm.... Every time something " oil spill, fire, storm, earth quake people stand on the soapbox crying it's never gonna be the same, The environment is ruined and it will never recover.... then later life starts to rebound and a new cycle starts.... here's a link for you... climate changehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100,000-year_problem Killler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #16 November 2, 2012 Yeah, we're just not seeing eye to eye. I care in a weird sort of way what our environment will look like in 400 years. I care substantially more what it will look like in my and my daughter's lifetimes. I'd prefer it be comfortably livable. If you prefer living without any sense of responsibility for your actions, there's probably not much I can do to change that. Then again, I'm sure if you find a place becomes uncomfortable, you'll move. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #17 November 2, 2012 Quotefoxnews is at the bottom... far worse than huff. Only a Leftist would think that the Huffington Post is not bias. I know FoxNews is heavily bias to the Right, just as the Huffington Post is heavily bias to the Left. Indoctrination is a powerful thing. QuoteLook at my other posts on economics- always varied and from non-partisan sources. All we ever get from you is "Massive government spending is the only way economies can succeed". I don't know a single person from the private sector who thinks this way. So that leads me to believe you have little exposure to the private sector, and instead your interests lie in ever growing government bureaucracies. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 November 2, 2012 QuoteI don't know a single person from the private sector who thinks this way. Really?? I seem to remember a fair number of the bankers and car manufacturers saying just that a little while ago as they were being kept in business by massive spending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #19 November 2, 2012 Quote foxnews is at the bottom... far worse than huff. Only a Leftist would think that the Huffington Post is not bias. I know FoxNews is heavily bias to the Right, just as the Huffington Post is heavily bias to the Left. Indoctrination is a powerful thing. I love the way you write your posts. You accuse me of using the huff when its actually Bloomberg magazine (a right-wing leaning magazine) that wrote that lol. If you want to know about indoctrination, then read "Propganda" by Jacques Ellul. Very interesting book. Anybody who remotely touches any form of news are essentially indoctrinated. Read it. Quote Look at my other posts on economics- always varied and from non-partisan sources. All we ever get from you is "Massive government spending is the only way economies can succeed". I don't know a single person from the private sector who thinks this way. So that leads me to believe you have little exposure to the private sector, and instead your interests lie in ever growing government bureaucracies. Read my posts then you can comment. You run your mouth about indoctrination then purposefully distort information Read on Greg Mankiw. Romney's economic advisor. My comments on the economy is shared by him and anyone essentially serious about economics share this view aswell. This as a zero-bound recession. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #20 November 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteI don't know a single person from the private sector who thinks this way. Really?? I seem to remember a fair number of the bankers and car manufacturers saying just that a little while ago as they were being kept in business by massive spending. Private sector? Surely your not referring to Gov't Motors and Chrysler.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 November 2, 2012 Here we are seeing the interesting dichotomy. We’ve got these people here who claim that had we all driven Chevy volts powered by wind and solar generation that there wouldn’t have been a storm that caused death and devastation. Then on the other side, we see people suffering horribly – and possibly dying – because they do not have power. Just hearing on the radio about Staten Island. They do not have fuel for generators. They do not have generators. They do not have power. They do not have functioning furnaces. They do not have heat. They can (and many probably will) die. The residents of Staten Island (the ones who didn’t get out when they were warned) are begging for food. For clothing. And begging for, if you can believe this, gasoline. These people are suffering and what do they want? Gasoline. The very vile substance that caused this hurricane in the first place. But for the dread substance NYC would be running a marathon this weekend. Check out the lines of people desperately seeking gasoline. Fossil fuels. People wanting fossil fuels for their very survival but failing to recognize that the Chevy volt, if taken seriously, would have prevented this from happening at all. Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and droughts used to be filed within the “shit happens” file. An inherent risk of living on the North American Atlantic Coast – from south of the Yucatan to Newfoundland and Nova Scotia – was that a hurricane will hit. But something amazing has happened – scientists have determined that weather phenomena became sentient the day Ronald Reagan swore in as President. Hurricane Camille lashed our shores and created long-lasting tales of horror. Shit happened. The great Miami Hurricane wiped Miami off the map (in inflation adjusted dollars, that hurricane caused DOUBLE the damage of Katrina). Shit happened. Galveston was swept away. Shit happened. Sure there were people who attributed such events to the wrath of God. Even Pat Robertson attributed the Katrina to God’s wrath. He was roundly mocked for his suggestion of deific sentience. That there was some REASON for Katrina. Some root cause. That Katrina itself was a statement – sending an intelligent message that is easily interpreted by all the informed few and dismissed only by the ignorant masses. Katrina was a sign. A message. A statement by a vengeful and angry God that we are fucking up big time and must change our ways. Turns out Robertson was 99% correct. It was true that Katrina was sentient. Katrina was put there for a reason. A root cause. Katrina itself was a statement – sending an intelligent message that is easily interpreted by the informed few and dismissed only by the ignorant masses. Katrina was a sign. A message. A statement by a vengeful and angry EARTH that we are fuckign up big time and must change our ways. Wilma reinforced Katrina and the earth continued to speak until Ike. The earth was satisfied that we had gotten the message. We had elected a new president and proposed cap and trade that would please our Mother Earth. But then the House went to the GOP. And poll numbers told Mother Earth that Americans had forgotten about it. As ShcShc11 dutifully notes, she viewed the Presidential debates and noted that the number of questions asked about Global Warming was zero and decided that She must send a message. She spoke to me personally. Here is her message: QuoteHi. I am the Earth. And I have a message for all of you. I do not like what you have done to me. I buried the dinosaurs for a reason. I sought the help of a distant relative who arrived off the Yucatan and is a part of me now to destroy and bury them. People have been bringing them back. The debates didn't even mention me. I am pissed that I was ignored. Did you not get the point that Apophis is also a cousin? I’m playing lightly here and Sandy was a warning shot. I sent a hurricane as a message to all of you that I will now pick off blue states two at a time unless you cease your dependence on gasoline and other petrochemicals. Bloomberg is a prophet and is denying warmth for Staten Island and I have told him to demonstrate to the world that walking or running great distances is an activity for which I will support the use of fossil fuels. I struck down the HMS Bounty because the ship was a poseur and used diesel engines and her Captain said that the Bounty “has no boundaries.” Those of you on Staten Island – quit bitching or I will send another storm to New England on election day. Hurricanes are now sentient when they were not before. They have thoughts and feelings and, of course, they want to be heard. They have no vote but they have a voice. And above all, they have a message. Not a message from God. Anyone who thinks the message is from God is fucking weirdo who uses non-scientific methodology and post-hoc fallacy to attribute cause to an event that is actually caused by earth’s wrath. Good call. The presidential debates were what really caused this. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
