jclalor 12 #51 October 30, 2012 Ron starts praying for divine intervention, and now an act of God occurs that may impact the elections. Coincidence you ask? perhaps... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #52 October 30, 2012 I think the October surprise has made landfall. Obama's camp are probably calling it a gift from God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #53 October 30, 2012 Quote Being in Texas and sitting through Katrina, Rita & Ike...MAYBE the reason they are hyping it is because people don't take it as seriously as they should. Run a few million people outta food, water & power for a week and watch how 'society' breaks down...I don't think of it hype as much as 'get ready'... You left out that little storm that you rode out on a boat with some zookeeper named Noah.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #54 October 30, 2012 Quote Quote Being in Texas and sitting through Katrina, Rita & Ike...MAYBE the reason they are hyping it is because people don't take it as seriously as they should. Run a few million people outta food, water & power for a week and watch how 'society' breaks down...I don't think of it hype as much as 'get ready'... You left out that little storm that you rode out on a boat with some zookeeper named Noah. Noah wasn't a zookeeper, he was an antideluvian matchmaker. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #55 October 30, 2012 Just another run-of-the-mill extreme weather event, like the record drought and the record number of record highs this year. Nothing we need worry about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #56 October 30, 2012 Eh, while I tend to stray away from the anthropogenic warming creating a bunch of severe weather thinking, the drought and record highs have far more credibility for the whole global warming thing than hurricanes do. Reason being that it's easy to gauge when a drought is out of the ordinary etc. With hurricanes there is no such thing as an ordinary hurricane, each time it's different, sometimes they go *poof*, other times they under RI and become monsters, other times they ignore our understanding of science and strengthen as warm cored tropical cyclones over cold waters (see Epsilon). Sandy wasn't run of the mill, but there is no hint of any anthropogenic influence on her. In fact the thing that made this storm unique is that out of all the hurricanes that have formed, this one's strengthening was only marginally due to SSTs, and instead had more baroclonic influence. When you get 10-15 tropical systems a year, every few years one is going to do something amazing in some way, depending on how the synoptics are set up at that time. Sandy got some typical late Oct ones and in turn did some really cool stuff, like spreading out her wind radii as her pressure dropped, instead of establishing a tight inner core. There's been unique hurricanes since the beginning of time though, it's all about upper air patterns and how much dry air is coming off the CONUS, or how the Saharan Air Layer is. SSTs are only a very small portion of storm development. Throw enough coins at a basket ball hoop and eventually it's going to pull off something unique - perhaps ride the rim. Of course, tackling the things like steady increases in drought and highs, assuming they exist throughout a vast area - is not as easy. But not Sandy, she was just a normal storm caught in a unique set of circumstances, as happens once every 5 or 10 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #57 October 30, 2012 My favorite weather related news video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slEPV9LyS0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #58 October 30, 2012 Totally agree, I've a friend from Galway who's living in NYC at the moment, she says its just like Galway around Christmas time with a bit of flooding.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #59 October 30, 2012 31st Street Beach, Chicago, this morning.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #60 October 30, 2012 You are approaching blasphemy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #61 October 30, 2012 Quote 31st Street Beach, Chicago, this morning. On Lake Erie we call those ripples Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #62 October 30, 2012 Quote Quote 31st Street Beach, Chicago, this morning. On Lake Erie we call those ripples But Lake Erie isn't 700 miles from the storm center.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #63 October 30, 2012 QuoteYou are approaching blasphemy. From Scientific American. . Hurricane Sandy got large because it wandered north along the U.S. coast, where ocean water is still warm this time of year, pumping energy into the swirling system. But it got even larger when a cold Jet Stream made a sharp dip southward from Canada down into the eastern U.S. The cold air, positioned against warm Atlantic air, added energy to the atmosphere and therefore to Sandy, just as it moved into that region, expanding the storm even further. Here’s where climate change comes in. The atmospheric pattern that sent the Jet Stream south is colloquially known as a “blocking high”—a big pressure center stuck over the very northern Atlantic Ocean and southern Arctic Ocean. And what led to that? A climate phenomenon called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)—essentially, the state of atmospheric pressure in that region. This state can be positive or negative, and it had changed from positive to negative two weeks before Sandy arrived. The climate kicker? Recent research by Charles Greene at Cornell University and other climate scientists has shown that as more Arctic sea ice melts in the summer—because of global warming—the NAO is more likely to be negative during the autumn and winter. A negative NAO makes the Jet Stream more likely to move in a big, wavy pattern across the U.S., Canada and the Atlantic, causing the kind of big southward dip that occurred during Sandy. Climate change amps up other basic factors that contribute to big storms. For example, the oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms. And the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture, which is drawn into storms and is then dumped on us.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #64 October 30, 2012 QuoteA climate phenomenon called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)—essentially, the state of atmospheric pressure in that region. This state can be positive or negative, and it had changed from positive to negative two weeks before Sandy arrived. Why are you bringing up an oscillation? You demonstrated some past aggression towards my bringing oscillations into the mix. QuoteRecent research … has shown that as more Arctic sea ice melts in the summer—because of global warming—the NAO is more likely to be negative during the autumn and winter. Oh. More likely to be? Wow. There’s a scientific conclusion I like. “We said it was more likely this would happen. This happened. Ergo, climate change.” That’s a solid scientific conclusion, irrefutable for any other plausible explanation (such as the very scientific conclusion states that this happens regardless of climate influence). I gotta hand it to scientists, nowadays. They sure make uncertainty sound damned certain. I’ll make a prediction: climate change is changing human behaviors. It makes it more likely that kallend will provide a response to one of my posts. Let’s test my prediction and see how it works. Quote A negative NAO makes the Jet Stream more likely to move in a big, wavy pattern across the U.S., Canada and the Atlantic, causing the kind of big southward dip that occurred during Sandy. So the blocking high we had all last winter? What about that? QuoteClimate change amps up other basic factors that contribute to big storms. For example, the oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms. And the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture, which is drawn into storms and is then dumped on us. So predictions of drought, then, are not consistent with climate change? I also suspect that vapor pressure now has nothing to do with it. Why, this past summer here in Fresno was a hot one, indeed, and all that increased water vapor led to floods and stuff here. Wait – no it didn’t. That 108 degree air held a lot more water vapor – that time it was 108 and we had a dew point of 21 degrees? Didn’t happen. And that Lake Effect snow that Buffalo and Cleveland get? Little did they know that it came from tropical air blowing south from Canada and over the 80 degree January waters of Lake Erie. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 October 30, 2012 QuoteOh. More likely to be? Wow. There’s a scientific conclusion I like. “We said it was more likely this would happen. This happened. Ergo, climate change.” That’s a solid scientific conclusion, irrefutable for any other plausible explanation (such as the very scientific conclusion states that this happens regardless of climate influence). I gotta hand it to scientists, nowadays. They sure make uncertainty sound damned certain. Funny, if you change some of the words to drought and wild fires, you would likely not have any problems with the sentence. I mean wild fires happen outside of droughts as well. But they sure are more likely during a period of drought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #66 October 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteA climate phenomenon called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)—essentially, the state of atmospheric pressure in that region. This state can be positive or negative, and it had changed from positive to negative two weeks before Sandy arrived. Why are you bringing up an oscillation? You demonstrated some past aggression towards my bringing oscillations into the mix. Negative - just aggression towards your misuse of them. And in case you missed it, just quoting Scientific American.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #67 October 30, 2012 Yes. And if you'll pardon me, I tend to look at the ordinary meaning of words. Incidentally, you responded to the post. Thus my prediction is confirmed and ergo global climate change caused it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #68 October 31, 2012 QuoteAs much as I'm concerned for the East Coast this storm is being hyped by the media who love a good disaster story in the making with headlines like Sandy threatens 'catastrophe' or 'HISTORY-MAKING' SANDY STRENGTHENS, HOOKS LEFT TOWARD EAST COAST. I think this is all reaction forced by Katrina. No government official wants to look like they were unprepared, and the media is tired of talking about the election. Just out of curiosity . . . how dumb do you feel now? http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-hurricane-sandy-disaster-20121030,0,3500972.storyquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #69 October 31, 2012 Quote Quote As much as I'm concerned for the East Coast this storm is being hyped by the media who love a good disaster story in the making with headlines like Sandy threatens 'catastrophe' or 'HISTORY-MAKING' SANDY STRENGTHENS, HOOKS LEFT TOWARD EAST COAST. I think this is all reaction forced by Katrina. No government official wants to look like they were unprepared, and the media is tired of talking about the election. Just out of curiosity . . . how dumb do you feel now? http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-hurricane-sandy-disaster-20121030,0,3500972.story The U.S. death toll rose to 50, including three children, and estimates of the property damage soared to $20 billion, which would make Sandy among the nation’s costliest natural disasters. More than 8 million homes and businesses in 17 states were without power, half of them in New York and New Jersey. Some outages could stretch into next week. Like I said ~ Not hype...it was a 'get ready!' ...and this thing ain't over yet. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #70 October 31, 2012 Quote Quote Quote As much as I'm concerned for the East Coast this storm is being hyped by the media who love a good disaster story in the making with headlines like Sandy threatens 'catastrophe' or 'HISTORY-MAKING' SANDY STRENGTHENS, HOOKS LEFT TOWARD EAST COAST. I think this is all reaction forced by Katrina. No government official wants to look like they were unprepared, and the media is tired of talking about the election. Just out of curiosity . . . how dumb do you feel now? http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-hurricane-sandy-disaster-20121030,0,3500972.story The U.S. death toll rose to 50, including three children, and estimates of the property damage soared to $20 billion, which would make Sandy among the nation’s costliest natural disasters. More than 8 million homes and businesses in 17 states were without power, half of them in New York and New Jersey. Some outages could stretch into next week. Like I said ~ Not hype...it was a 'get ready!' ...and this thing ain't over yet. Just more of the hype. Keep drinking the kool-aid. Can't have massive federal dollars spent on clean-up if its not a massive storm and there isn't massive damage. Or maybe I'm just a cynic...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #71 October 31, 2012 Okay. This storm lived up to the hype. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #72 October 31, 2012 Or maybe I'm just a cynic... Quote Yeah...MAYBE! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #73 October 31, 2012 http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/10/30/lindsay-lohan-urges-hurricane-sandy-victims-to-top-projecting-negativity-other/ Well if the most ultimate authority on hurricaines says we need to quit projecting negativity then perhaps we should listen! Damn I cant say that without wanting to jab an icepick in my eyeball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #74 October 31, 2012 Quote I expect Sandy to be worse than Irene, not a Katrina by any means - but likely the most damage the NE will see from a storm in decades past One minor clarification. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #75 October 31, 2012 Quote Quote I expect Sandy to be worse than Irene, not a Katrina by any means - but likely the most damage the NE will see from a storm in decades past One minor clarification. Blues, Dave I will also predict that future storms will cause fewer deaths that those of the past. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
