Storm hype at an all time high?

[quade 4]

Uh huh... Let me ask you, was Katrina "overhyped"?

How'd that turn out?

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[lawrocket 3]

No. Katrina was not overhyped. Katrina was appropriately hyped. In fact, the Bush Admin's post-Katrina levee gameplan was adopted by Obama admin post-Benghazi.

People ignored the Katrina risk. Katrina was not unprecedented. There have been larger and more powerful hurricanes to hit NOLA - it's been ravaged repeatedly over the last couple of centuries. Betsy was the first Atlantic hurricane to cause $1 billion in damages (1965 dollars).

The particular risk of NOLA is always a factor.

So tell me, what compares to Katrina with this storm?

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[quade 4]

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So tell me, what compares to Katrina with this storm?

Its full potential isn't yet known. That's an exact correlation.

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Apophis? Where do you get this stuff Had to look that one up.

I thought he meant the Goa'uld.

[lawrocket 3]

And the Eastern Seaboard is like New Orleans in what way?

Note: this question springs a trap.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[ShcShc11 0]

Republicans criticizes Obama for over-hyping the storm; shows a lack of judgment and leadership

[kallend 2,147]

Sandy is over 1,000 miles across right now. Waves on the great lakes as far inland as Lake Michigan are expected to reach 20ft. Chicago is already getting gusts over 40mph with up to 60mph forecast for tomorrow, and we're 700 miles from the coast.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[quade 4]

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And the Eastern Seaboard is like New Orleans in what way?

They're both places where land meets water?

How about this, rather than have me play some childish guessing game with you; why not just make your point? Or do I also have to tell you my favorite color in order to get past this bridge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMxWLuOFyZM

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Republicans criticizes Obama for over-hyping the storm; shows a lack of judgment and leadership

How in the hell did you get that anyone is criticizing your fuhrer?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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I'm giving the award to CNN and Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy

CNN - Tens of millions of people braced for a storm that authorities warned could bring devastation unlike anything they've seen.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Gravitymaster 0]

How come no hurricanes are named after African-Americans?

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Republicans criticizes Obama for over-hyping the storm; shows a lack of judgment and leadership

How in the hell did you get that anyone is criticizing your fuhrer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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This is a CLASSIC nor'easter pattern. It's big. Given. It's big. And instead of actually having a storm like a tropical cyclone there is actually a tropical cyclone.

This definitely isn't a Nor'Easter. As the NHC confirmed in the 5pm advisory, and as recon has continued to show, the core is still a warm core system - well at the time of your post, meaning it's still a hurricane as opposed to a baroclonic low that merely solely feeds off the atmosphere. Though at around 4pm EDT it began to start the baroclonic process - and now is primarily a baroclonic low, drawing it's energy from the air and relying on gradients.

Sandy holds hybrid characteristics. She has a very large wind field, and with that, means that she can pull cold air down from Canada into the circulation.

And unlike most Nor'Easters, Sandy has been causing surge to develop for a number of days now as she traversed up the Atlantic. Further more her pressure is insanely lower than any nor'easter that has ever existed. Most strong nor'easters have minimum central pressures in the 970s, not the low 940s.

The reason why Sandy is so special is just this, we have never encountered the same type of system before, it's unchartered meteorological territory. Sure there have been similar systems that were hybrids, but not the same as Sandy.

Back to the hype, after Katrina, yes... The media now makes a big deal about anything. But in many cases it comes down to meteorology still being inaccurate by nature - the atmosphere is fickle. Irene could have been 10x worse had it been for just a few differences in it's development.

I expect Sandy to be worse than Irene, not a Katrina by any means - but likely the most damage the NE will see from a storm in decades - and definitely worth good media coverage. And judging by the number of people who didn't evacuate or are currently riding around on jet skis in the new york harbour - they need to hype it.

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As much as I'm concerned for the East Coast this storm is being hyped by the media who love a good disaster story in the making with headlines like Sandy threatens 'catastrophe' or 'HISTORY-MAKING' SANDY STRENGTHENS, HOOKS LEFT TOWARD EAST COAST. I think this is all reaction forced by Katrina. No government official wants to look like they were unprepared, and the media is tired of talking about the election.

Well, we know your hero thinks federal disaster relief is "immoral"**, so clearly you need to downplay it.

** June 13, 2011 Republican presidential primary debate.

Of course, that was his evil twin "Severely Conservative Mitt". "Oh So Moderate Mitt" has apparently been backtracking.

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[lawrocket 3]

Imagine a flood hitting an area that is below sea level. Then imagine the flooding at a place that is above sea level. When the surge recedes, gravity takes the water back in one place. In the other place it sticks around.

I know that there is destructive potential everywhere. And there are levels where additional destruction occurs. In Katrina, parts of Mississippi were ruined. Hancock and harrison counties, in particular, were devastated by a 30 foot storm surge. This was larger than the tsunami in Japan.

But NOLA got the notice because of the ongoing disaster and the fact that it initially weathered Katrina until the levees went. Atlantic City could be like Biloxi. No less of a tragedy.

Most don't really think about what happened in Mississippi. There was understandable focus on NOLA but much was at the expense of the Mississippi coast. Overhyping one can mean underhyping elsewhere.

Look - last December Fresno got rocked by a windstorm. Power out, trees down, streets blocked. It was incredible. Maximum sustained winds were 25 mph and gusts up to about 40 mph. This wind ain't no joke but the "Frankenstorm" name just leaves me a bit cynical as to the marketing that goes with potential disaster nowadays

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[kallend 2,147]

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This wind ain't no joke but the "Frankenstorm" name just leaves me a bit cynical as to the marketing that goes with potential disaster nowadays

Sandy is over 1,000 miles across right now.

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[lawrocket 3]

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This definitely isn't a Nor'Easter. As the NHC confirmed in the 5pm advisory, and as recon has continued to show, the core is still a warm core system - well at the time of your post, meaning it's still a hurricane as opposed to a baroclonic low that merely solely feeds off the atmosphere.

Correct. It's why I said "pattern" and qualified that is actually is a tropical cyclone instead of a cold air mass.

There are differences. But the effects of a nor'easter are pretty similar. Storm surge. High wind. Heavy precipitation. Air ain't cold like a nor'easter.

In a sense, Sandy is like a hurricane inside a nor'easter. Versus a hurricane hitting a nor'easter. It's kind of a hybrid, isn't it?

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I expect Sandy to be worse than Irene, not a Katrina by any means - but likely the most damage the NE will see from a storm in decades

Agreed there. I'll be interested to see how it compares to the 1991 "Perfect Storm" or the Long Island Express of 1938.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Sandy is over 1,000 miles across right now.

Yep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Super_Outbreak_1974-04-03_21_GMT.gif
Check this one out. It's a storm system that spread over 1,500 miles. Practically from Corpus Christi to Toronto and from Long Island to Colorado. The worst of it was certainly centered over about a thousand miles...

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[quade 4]

Ladies and gents, we've entered into a new era. No longer satisfied with simply being deniers of global climate change (it being "too far out there to worry about") deniers have shortened the length of time of legitimate forecasts from hundreds of years to decades, six month hurricane forecasts and now even deny forecasts as short as six hours. Satellites are obviously the tools of "big government" and those obviously failed and clearly leftist government agencies known as the National Weather Service and NASA.

Forget the "opinion" being shoved down your throat by "big government" folks! Clearly this storm is nothing to worry about whatsoever! It's obviously just a ploy by the liberal media to get you to watch commercials!

Now, nano-thermite . . . That shit is real!

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[lawrocket 3]

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Clearly this storm is nothing to worry about whatsoever!

Where'd this come from? Have I detracted at all from the seriousness of this storm? No.

Have I criticized calling it "Frankenstorm?" Yeppers. Don't you think calling it "Frankenstorm" adds some levity to an otherwise serious situation? I do.

"Frankenstorm approaching the Northeast" certainly evokes more serious imagery than "Massive hurricane approaching northeast." "Frankenstorm." I apologize for my criticism of giving "Hurricane Sally" an edgier brand name.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

Ladies and gents, please note the sound of a truck of manure being backed up while driven by our illustrious lawrocket who said earlier today;

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No - this is a big storm hitting the Northeast. Not a particularly strong storm. Not a particularly nasty storm. But a good one that will cause some damage and probably a few deaths.

But it's hitting the Northeast. And that's big news. I myself would like to see a bit less of the "oh this is disastrous and awful and the sky is falling." It's a fricking tropical storm.

There's some political hay to try to make. And press gets good stuff.

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Have I detracted at all from the seriousness of this storm?

Uh . . . Yeah you did.

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[lawrocket 3]

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No - this is a big storm hitting the Northeast. Not a particularly strong storm. Not a particularly nasty storm. But a good one that will cause some damage and probably a few deaths.

Gee. Here I say it's a big storm "that will cause some damage and probably a few deaths." How awful of me.

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Not a particularly strong storm.

Category 1 is not a particularly strong storm, is it, Paul? All hurricanes are strong storms.

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I myself would like to see a bit less of the "oh this is disastrous and awful and the sky is falling." It's a fricking tropical storm.

I would. Lower Manhattan is flooding right now. That's bad. It's causing some damage. It's a hurricane. Had this hit Georgia would it be this big of a thing? Texas? Florida? I'd suggest it wouldn't.

Which in one way is understandable - those places aren't as populated. It's not Tampa - where a hurricane was hoped to knock out the GOP convention by many.

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There's some political hay to try to make. And press gets good stuff.

So I ask you - have I detracted from the seriousness of the storm? It's a fricking tropical storm. Perhaps you fail to understand the seriousness. Perhaps you were expecting levity where none was intended.

Pile of manure my ass. Yes, my words could be interpreted as levity. But what kind of sick fuck thinks that my pointing out that damage and deaths is detracting from the seriousness?

Damage and deaths. We've just gotten the first couple of reports of deaths, Paul. To me that's serious. How about you?

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[quade 4]

Nice attempt at a turn around. Sadly, you have made light of it and have attempted to score some sort of internet "win" by implying neither the government nor the news can be trusted in such matters.

Really, really sad.

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[kallend 2,147]

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No - this is a big storm hitting the Northeast. Not a particularly strong storm. Not a particularly nasty storm. But a good one that will cause some damage and probably a few deaths.

Gee. Here I say it's a big storm "that will cause some damage and probably a few deaths." How awful of me.

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Not a particularly strong storm.

Category 1 is not a particularly strong storm, is it, Paul? All hurricanes are strong storms.

Well, the problem is that "strong" doesn't have a quantitative definition. Is a very LARGE cat 1 (like sandy) "stronger" than a small cat 2? Undefined.

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[lawrocket 3]

John - you make a valid point. And I see what you are saying with that.

I would go back to define what I meant. Well, I somewhat tried but Quade isn't buying it.

This hurricane IS more damaging than I thought it would be. I won't deny that. And part of it is due to it's sheer geographic size.

My wife is hotter than your wife.