Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president only because he's black.
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rushmc 23
QuoteMarc,
Seriously - please try to contribute instead of snipe 1 liners (yes, I know you're not the only one who does this, but as of late you're in high gear).
Address the point, or don't reply. This isn't high grade school. You've made an implication about voting demographics but the numbers in other elections indicate race not to be a factor (looking at the Gore/GWB numbers for example reflecting similar percentages) and another poster has called you out on it (SkyDekker I believe).
So either make your case to prove your point, concede if you're wrong, or quietly slip away.
Ian
Got it
But notice one thing
These types of replies are usually to those who insinuate stupidity, ignorance, lack of education or racism just because they dont agree
So I throw back at them
However, point taken, Thanks for the reminder
Marc
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThese types of replies are usually to those who insinuate stupidity, ignorance, lack of education or racism just because they dont agree
Marc, it has nothing to do with not agreeing.
Stating that blacks vote for Obama because he is black, is accusing the far majority of blacks in the US of racism devoid of the capability of thinking beyond that racism.
Making an assertion like that is racist in itself, specially since historical voting patterns are very clear.
I am sorry if you cannot see that.
In the end there will be racists blacks who will vote for Obama cause he is black, just as there will be whites who won't vote for him cause he is black. Accusing a whole race within the country of that behaviour...well that is racist.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteThese types of replies are usually to those who insinuate stupidity, ignorance, lack of education or racism just because they dont agree
Marc, it has nothing to do with not agreeing.
Stating that blacks vote for Obama because he is black, is accusing the far majority of blacks in the US of racism devoid of the capability of thinking beyond that racism.
Making an assertion like that is racist in itself, specially since historical voting patterns are very clear.
I am sorry if you cannot see that.
In the end there will be racists blacks who will vote for Obama cause he is black, just as there will be whites who won't vote for him cause he is black. Accusing a whole race within the country of that behaviour...well that is racist.
There you go again
Insinuating that since I dont see this as you do, I somehow have faulty thinking
Which is of course bull shit
94 to 6 is a huge difference
Yes, there is a pattern to the percentages
BUT, we also know that blacks went to the polls in record numbers for the first time
I am sorry YOU cant see that
I dont agree with you
But I am not making acusations about how you are lacking in the power of thinking
Unless you make those insinuations first
So yes it does have everything to do with not agreeing and a level of arogance
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuoteThese types of replies are usually to those who insinuate stupidity, ignorance, lack of education or racism just because they dont agree
Marc, it has nothing to do with not agreeing.
Stating that blacks vote for Obama because he is black, is accusing the far majority of blacks in the US of racism devoid of the capability of thinking beyond that racism.
Making an assertion like that is racist in itself, specially since historical voting patterns are very clear.
I am sorry if you cannot see that.
In the end there will be racists blacks who will vote for Obama cause he is black, just as there will be whites who won't vote for him cause he is black. Accusing a whole race within the country of that behaviour...well that is racist.
Making an assertion like that is racist in itself
Thats YOUR opinion. Unless you come out with a video showing 2,000,000 black people saying they prefer to choose obama because of his policies and the fact that he's a democrat (as they are) then you have a point. Otherwise your blatant pointing out other people as being a racist is just a fucking pointless.
SkyDekker 1,465
Quote94 to 6 is a huge difference
A difference from what? Keep in mind that these numbers come with a 90% confidence level. Probably a margin of error around 8% (assuming a simple random sample, but that info isn't available)
Hence, true number could just as easily be 90 to 10 or 88 to 12.
So, I ask again, a huge difference compared to what?
QuoteBUT, we also know that blacks went to the polls in record numbers for the first time
And did the delta in levels all vote for Obama? And if so, did they vote for Oabama because he was black? Is there any evidence supporting that suggestion?
Did you miss my post where I clarified for you that the sample size was 1000, with 100 of them being further surveyed? I guess so. At any rate, saying there was a 90% confidence level isnt an accurate statement. And the margin of error was 3% as the article stated.
I have my own personal evidence of it. I'm not saying every black person votes this way, but there are some yes. Just like some white people I'm sure.
I have my own personal evidence of it. I'm not saying every black person votes this way, but there are some yes. Just like some white people I'm sure.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteDid you miss my post where I clarified for you that the sample size was 1000, with 100 of them being further surveyed?
Total sample was 1,000 indeed. Of that 100 were black.
sundevil777 102
QuoteAnd did the delta in levels all vote for Obama? And if so, did they vote for Oabama because he was black? Is there any evidence supporting that suggestion?
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that being black was the only thing that really mattered. Blacks were not shy at all at saying that, celebrities and others of note didn't hide it at all. That is just anecdotal of course.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThere is plenty of anecdotal evidence that being black was the only thing that really mattered. Blacks were not shy at all at saying that, celebrities and others of note didn't hide it at all. That is just anecdotal of course.
Being black or to elect the first visible minorty to the post?
Some will see a difference in that question and some will assert it is the same thing.
QuoteQuoteDid you miss my post where I clarified for you that the sample size was 1000, with 100 of them being further surveyed?
Total sample was 1,000 indeed. Of that 100 were black.
You are correct I mininterpreted that.
What about looking at the other side of it. 0 out of 100 black individuals polled said they would vote for Romney. Do you really believe not a single one of those 100 people believe in his policies?
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteDo you really believe not a single one of those 100 people believe in his policies?
Not at all.
I objected to the statement that all 100 would simply vote for Obama cause he is black. I think many do look at his policies and platform and vote based on that.
jakee 1,610
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen, in your post, you say "the Republicans will fuck them up the ass, why rebut?
The premise is so stupid to begin with the laughter has already begun
Ignore that bit, focus on the 'blacks vote 90% democrat anyway' bit.
How does that gel with your assertion that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
Wasnt my assertion
So what did you mean by this: "96 to 4 and you remain determined to argue the point - Gotta love it"? Did that not mean that you disagreed with DanG's argument?
Let's give you a chance to clear up what you actually do think: Do you think that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteI saw a poll a couple weeks ago that showed potential voters for each candidate by race. I can't remember exactly the numbers but I remember what I got out of it:
Whites:
Romney - 49% (or 51)
Obama - 51% (or 49)
Blacks:
Romney - 4%
Obama - 96%
Judging by those numbers, its not crazy to believe the title of this thread.
Black vote in recent elections:
1996 - Clinton 84%, Dole 12%
2000 - Gore 90%, Bush 9%
2004 - Kerry 88%, Bush 11%
2008 - Obama 95%, McCain 4%
So yeah, it would appear that Obama got a bit more of the black vote than Clinton, Gore, or Kerry, but not a tremendous amount, as the demographic overwhelmingly votes (D) regardless of color.
Blues,
Dave
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rushmc 23
All of them?QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen, in your post, you say "the Republicans will fuck them up the ass, why rebut?
The premise is so stupid to begin with the laughter has already begun
Ignore that bit, focus on the 'blacks vote 90% democrat anyway' bit.
How does that gel with your assertion that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
Wasnt my assertion
So what did you mean by this: "96 to 4 and you remain determined to argue the point - Gotta love it"? Did that not mean that you disagreed with DanG's argument?
Let's give you a chance to clear up what you actually do think: Do you think that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
NO
for the most part? based on what I have heard and seen? yes
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
jakee 1,610
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen, in your post, you say "the Republicans will fuck them up the ass, why rebut?
The premise is so stupid to begin with the laughter has already begun
Ignore that bit, focus on the 'blacks vote 90% democrat anyway' bit.
How does that gel with your assertion that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
Wasnt my assertion
So what did you mean by this: "96 to 4 and you remain determined to argue the point - Gotta love it"? Did that not mean that you disagreed with DanG's argument?
Let's give you a chance to clear up what you actually do think: Do you think that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
for the most part? based on what I have heard and seen? yes
Ok then, so it is your assertion that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black.
So how does that gel with the fact that blacks vote 90% democrat for president anyway?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I'm still looking for a reason why the white population is fairly evenly split between parties while the black community is so heavily democratic.
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Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
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jakee 1,610
QuoteI'm still looking for a reason why the white population is fairly evenly split between parties while the black community is so heavily democratic.
Do you mean that you can't think of any reasons that would contribute to the split, or that you can't think why it is as dramatic as it is?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I can't think of any reason it would be as lopsided as it is. Trying to get edumacated.
"Are you coming to the party?
Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
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Dudist #52
Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
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Dudist #52
QuoteI'm still looking for a reason why the white population is fairly evenly split between parties while the black community is so heavily democratic.
Democrats make a point of promoting diversity, sometimes to a fault. Republicans sometimes refer to them as "nappy headed hoes", or flip the hell out that Obama's gonna demand reparations and they didn't personally own slaves, or whatever. I think level of discrimination against women, blacks, latinos, and gays by the GOP is somewhat inflated but it certainly exists. The more "oppressed" a demographic feels, the farther they're going to stray from 50/50. Thus white women, who don't have it all that bad, are fairly close to the middle. Latino's have a competing demographic of Catholocism that dilutes their variation. Gays and blacks don't have white men or the Virgin Mary to care for them, so they stray farther from 50/50.
Or it could just be that the DNC caters to minorities and the GOP repels them.
Blues,
Dave
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headoverheels 334
QuoteAll of them?QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen, in your post, you say "the Republicans will fuck them up the ass, why rebut?
The premise is so stupid to begin with the laughter has already begun
Ignore that bit, focus on the 'blacks vote 90% democrat anyway' bit.
How does that gel with your assertion that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
Wasnt my assertion
So what did you mean by this: "96 to 4 and you remain determined to argue the point - Gotta love it"? Did that not mean that you disagreed with DanG's argument?
Let's give you a chance to clear up what you actually do think: Do you think that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for Obama primarily because he's black?
NO
for the most part? based on what I have heard and seen? yes
So if it had come down to Obama vs. Hermain Cain, how many blacks would have voted for the half-white guy? My guess is that about 88-92% would.
Seriously - please try to contribute instead of snipe 1 liners (yes, I know you're not the only one who does this, but as of late you're in high gear).
Address the point, or don't reply. This isn't high grade school. You've made an implication about voting demographics but the numbers in other elections indicate race not to be a factor (looking at the Gore/GWB numbers for example reflecting similar percentages) and another poster has called you out on it (SkyDekker I believe).
So either make your case to prove your point, concede if you're wrong, or quietly slip away.
Ian
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