More on BHO & Benghazi

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

I don't remember seeing you there.

I wasn't there.

Who is/was "Wheeler"?

I can't find anyone by that name in charge of anything important during Desert Storm.

Saying the US left SH in charge because the UN didn't give the authority is still bullshit.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 3,118]

Both of you cut it out. CVFD, stop whining about moderation. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums out there. Amazon, the next clever PA will get you some time off, even if it's just a link to a picture.

[kallend 2,148]

airdvr

******Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

The deaths are documented, the cost is documented, and the lies are documented. The Senate only heard what the administration wanted them to hear.

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[RonD1120 62]

My mistake, it was GEN Chuck Horner, (then LTG).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Horner

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,148]

kallend

***Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Bump. I don't think you've answered this yet, Ron.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

kallend

******Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Bump. I don't think you've answered this yet, Ron.
Didn't God tell W to go forth and smite them????? Or were those voices just Dick and Don.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

My mistake, it was GEN Chuck Horner, (then LTG).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Horner

Ok. He was Allied Air Commander. And he may well have told you that.

But it doesn't make it true.

Nobody wanted to see SH stay in power. But nobody could come up with a viable alternative. SH had done a very good job of eliminating anyone who had any potential to take over. Any General or other "leadership" type who showed any real potential was arrested for something, had an "accident" or fled the country.

The fools who thought we could have a stable government in Iraq after the 03 invasion thought they had a replacement, but the actual Iraqis who he was supposed to govern wouldn't accept him.
And then it all fell apart and we spent the next 10 years paying for that mistake. 10 years is a lot more than 6 months.

Again, Cheney himself said that invading Iraq and deposing SH in 91 would have been a bad mistake. He was right.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#1990s

It was no less of a mistake in 03.

But his Halliburton buddies wanted a big contract, and got a bunch of them. They also wanted Iraqi oil, but that part didn't work out so well.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[airdvr 210]

kallend

*********Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

The deaths are documented, the cost is documented, and the lies are documented. The Senate only heard what the administration wanted them to hear.

And of course you can prove that.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

airdvr

************Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

The deaths are documented, the cost is documented, and the lies are documented. The Senate only heard what the administration wanted them to hear.

And of course you can prove that.

No
He cant
But he has said it so many times he cant help himself anymore

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

Evidence continues to be gathered exposing the lies of the BHO administration and especially HC and the State Department.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/the-truth-about-benghazi/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[cvfd1399 0]

"The truth about Benghazi"-What does it matter anymore. By Hillary Clinton.

[kallend 2,148]

kallend

******Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Bump. I don't think you've answered this yet, Ron.
Having a hard time answering a simple question, Ron?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[cvfd1399 0]

He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********Three out of four democrats think HC's testimony regarding her role in Benghazi will be to her benefit. This falls right in line with the Mark Halperin interview with IA democrats that could not name one accomplishment of HC as SoS.

The average democrat would not care if HC actually pulled the trigger on the four Americans lost at Benghazi. They are just that ignorant.

The sad state of American politics clearly indicates that qualifications do not matter. The ability to lie cleverly with a smile is what counts.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-finds-iowa-democrats-cant-name-hillary-accomplishments-as-secretary-of-state/


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/insiders-benghazi-testimony-works-to-hillarys-advantage-118202.html

So how do you Feel about the 2003 SOTU address where GWB smiled and lied us into a war that killed over 4000 Americans and cost us some $2Trillion?

Bump. I don't think you've answered this yet, Ron.
Having a hard time answering a simple question, Ron?

there you go projecting YET AGAIN!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

Isn't this what you call a strawman argument?

I "feel" good. I do not think he lied at the time. Do not misconstrue "my feelings" to mean I rejoice in American deaths.

BTW, can you articulate the difference between feelings, beliefs and fantasies?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,148]

cvfd1399

He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

***He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

I see you've neglected to answer my question...you have proof of this correct?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[kallend 2,148]

airdvr

******He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

I see you've neglected to answer my question...you have proof of this correct? Your post is proof enough of the GOP Kool Aid you and Ron drink.

Bush's blatant, proven lies killed over 1,000x as many Americans as the
supposed (zero proof ever supplied) wrongdoings of HRC. Yet Ron gives GWB a complete pass.

Let me refresh YOUR memory:

Here you see both truck and rail car-mounted mobile factories. The description our sources gave us of the technical features required by such facilities are highly detailed and extremely accurate. As these drawings based on their description show, we know what the fermenters look like, we know what the tanks, pumps, compressors and other parts look like. We know how they fit together. We know how they work. And we know a great deal about the platforms on which they are mounted.

As shown in this diagram, these factories can be concealed easily, either by moving ordinary-looking trucks and rail cars along Iraq's thousands of miles of highway or track, or by parking them in a garage or warehouse or somewhere in Iraq's extensive system of underground tunnels and bunkers.

We know that Iraq has at lest seven of these mobile biological agent factories. The truck-mounted ones have at least two or three trucks each. That means that the mobile production facilities are very few, perhaps 18 trucks that we know of-there may be more-but perhaps 18 that we know of. Just imagine trying to find 18 trucks among the thousands and thousands of trucks that travel the roads of Iraq every single day. Colin Powell to UN, Feb 5, 2003.



We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. G.W. Bush, May 29, 2003



"My personal view is we're going to find them, just as we found these two mobile laboratories” Donald Rumsfeld, May 29, 2003



"But let's remember what we've already found. Secretary Powell on February 5th talked about a mobile, biological weapons capability. That has now been found and this is a weapons laboratory trailers capable of making a lot of agent that -- dry agent, dry biological agent that can kill a lot of people. So we are finding these pieces that were described.” Condoleezza Rice, June 3, 2003

"We know that these trailers look exactly like what was described to us by multiple sources as the capabilities for building or for making biological agents. We know that we have from multiple sources who told us that then and sources who have confirmed it now. Now the Iraqis were not stupid about this. They were able to conceal a lot. They've been able to scrub things down. But I think when the whole picture comes out, we will see that this was an active program.” Condoleezza Rice,

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents” President G W Bush, June 5, 2003

LIES, ALL LIES. These "WMD labs" turned out to be making hydrogen for artillery balloons.

"Saddam Hussein's armoury of chemical weapons is on standby for use within 45 minutes", another LIE.

Yellow cake from Niger (SOTU, January 2003), another LIE.

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[kallend 2,148]

RonD1120

Isn't this what you call a strawman argument?

I "feel" good. I do not think he lied at the time. Do not misconstrue "my feelings" to mean I rejoice in American deaths.

BTW, can you articulate the difference between feelings, beliefs and fantasies?

Former CIA Acting Director Michael Morell makes it pretty clear on Hardball, May 19, 2015: The Bush-Cheney administration publicly misrepresented the intelligence related to Iraq's supposed WMD program and Saddam's alleged links to Al Qaeda.

Host Chris Matthews asked Morell about a statement Cheney made in 2003: "We know he [Saddam Hussein] has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Here's the conversation that followed:

MATTHEWS: Was that true?

MORELL: We were saying—

MATTHEWS: Can you answer that question? Was that true?

MORELL: That's not true.

MATTHEWS: Well, why'd you let them get away with it?

MORELL: Look, my job Chris—

MATTHEWS: You're the briefer for the president on intelligence, you're the top person to go in and tell him what's going on. You see Cheney make this charge he's got a nuclear bomb and then they make subsequent charges he knew how to deliver it…and nobody raised their hand and said, "No that's not what we told him."

MORELL: Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—

MATTHEWS: To tell the truth.

MORELL: My job—no, as the briefer? As the briefer?

MATTHEWS: Okay, go ahead.

MORELL: As the briefer, my job is to carry CIA's best information and best analysis to the president of the United States and make sure he understands it. My job is to not watch what they're saying on TV.


MATTHEWS: So you're briefing the president on the reasons for war, they're selling the war, using your stuff, saying you made that case when you didn't. So they're using your credibility to make the case for war dishonestly, as you just admitted.

MORELL: Look, I'm just telling you—

MATTHEWS: You just admitted it.

MORELL: I'm just telling you what we said—

MATTHEWS: They gave a false presentation of what you said to them.

MORELL: On some aspects. On some aspects.

There's the indictment, issued by the intelligence officer who briefed Bush and Cheney: The Bush White House made a "false presentation" on "some aspects" of the case for war. "That's a big deal," Matthews exclaimed. Morell replied, "It's a big deal."

MORELL: "What they were saying about the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda publicly was not what the intelligence community had concluded." "I think they were trying to make a stronger case for the war." That is, stronger than the truth would allow.

Morell's remarks support the basic charge: Bush and Cheney were not misled by flawed intelligence; they used the flawed intelligence to mislead.

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[kallend 2,148]

airdvr

******He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

I see you've neglected to answer my question...you have proof of this correct?

Then there's this: www.mcclatchydc.com/2004/03/09/10168/cia-director-disputes-cheney-assertions.html

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[kallend 2,148]

airdvr

******He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

I see you've neglected to answer my question...you have proof of this correct?

And this: Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.

For troops in the U.S.-led multinational coalition, the death toll is carefully tracked . A total of 4,491 U.S. service members were killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2014

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[cvfd1399 0]

What's your answer for the alleged 18 wheelers caught on sat driving to Syria while we "talked" for months about going over there. Also there were alleged flights that flew to Syria.. Youn know chemical weapons like the ones recently used there....

http://mic.com/articles/62103/how-did-syria-get-chemical-weapons-did-they-come-from-our-old-friend-saddam

[kallend 2,148]

airdvr

******He can't answer a false statement presented as a question. Take a hint that's why he hasn't answered it. Possibly retry and ask him about the resolution vote, that has facts in it, and the facts show it was bipartisan vote along with overwhelming support from Americans. Regardless of what bush stood up there and said Americans wanted blood, and in the process got rid of a lot of bad people, and a ruthless dictator in the process.

Quit blaming this on bush if anything blame it on American thirst for blood and revenge!

What's false? The 4,000+ American dead, the $2 Trillion cost, or the lies Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell told? Like, you know, yellow cake from Niger, mobile bioweapons labs (turned out to be hydrogen plants for balloons) etc? Even Bush's CIA assistant director admitted that Bush was warned that the intelligence didn't support the claims being made.

I see you've neglected to answer my question...you have proof of this correct?

And this: /www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

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[kallend 2,148]

cvfd1399

What's your answer for the alleged 18 wheelers caught on sat driving to Syria while we "talked" for months about going over there. Also there were alleged flights that flew to Syria.. Youn know chemical weapons like the ones recently used there....

http://mic.com/articles/62103/how-did-syria-get-chemical-weapons-did-they-come-from-our-old-friend-saddam

"Alleged"

Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

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[airdvr 210]

So you're saying Morrell lied.

Please don't dent the planet.

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