airdvr 210 #1 October 23, 2012 So I've resigned myself to Obama being re-elected after last night's less than stellar performance by Mitt. I started thinking I should take a look at Obama's plan to get an idea of what to expect. I went to www.barackobama.com and was surprised to see on the landing page I'm required to give an e-mail and a zip code. Once I gave that the next page is requiring that I give a donation to go any further. Checked Mitt's site...looks like its designed by the same people www.mittromeny.com but at least I can see more info without ponying up any money. I wonder if the lemmings actually pay to go further into his site.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2 October 23, 2012 Or you click on "continue to website". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #3 October 23, 2012 Must throw a cookie or something. My return visit was much different. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the same tired rhetoric I've been hearing on the radio and TV.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 October 23, 2012 Romney showed himself to be a rationale guy last night, as opposed to some war monger. That's what he needed to show.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #5 October 23, 2012 QuoteRomney showed himself to be a rationale guy last night, as opposed to some war monger. That's what he needed to show. So he was just trying to fool us all (and especially the conservatives) back during the primaries. I'm surprised the conservatives are still supporting him when he looks more like Obama every day.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 October 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteRomney showed himself to be a rationale guy last night, as opposed to some war monger. That's what he needed to show. So he was just trying to fool us all (and especially the conservatives) back during the primaries. I'm surprised the conservatives are still supporting him when he looks more like Obama every day. Romney already has the Conservatives. Last night was about getting support from the undecided's and Conservative Democrats. He was a stunning success at that. Obama looked angry and desperate to all but the Obama Drones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #7 October 23, 2012 QuoteRomney already has the Conservatives. Last night was about getting support from the undecided's and Conservative Democrats. He was a stunning success at that. Obama looked angry and desperate to all but the Obama Drones.So, it would seem that in your world Obama can either look like an outclassed fool, or angry and desperate; there are no other possibilities. And Romney can only look "in charge", or else stoic and presidential; there are no other possibilities. Good thing you're so objective about all this. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 October 23, 2012 I think the election is going to be very close, but I think it's also Romney's to lose at this point. I don't think either one of them will be particularly good for the US, and neither much worse than the other I think Obama at least wants the job for the right reasons, to promote his vision of an improved America. I think Romney's only vision is of himself putting a "US President, 2013-..." trophy on his mantle. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #9 October 23, 2012 Are you saying that Obama is mediocre, but Romney is worse ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #10 October 24, 2012 QuoteI think the election is going to be very close, but I think it's also Romney's to lose at this point. I don't think either one of them will be particularly good for the US, and neither much worse than the other I think Obama at least wants the job for the right reasons, to promote his vision of an improved America. I think Romney's only vision is of himself putting a "US President, 2013-..." trophy on his mantle. This. They are both terrible choices, but you'd think no one else was even running. Until we dismantle the 1 coin 2 sides party lockout system nothing will ever change. Moreofthesame2012____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #11 October 24, 2012 Say what? Gallup and Rasmussen have Romney over Obama by like 5 points. That CO group that is pretty damn accurate for however many elections (80s I think?) is pretty sure Romney will sweep it. Even RCP has the electoral collage steadily gaining ground and Romney now out ahead. I think the 3rd debate was tied, more or less, but that's not what Obama needed to save his reelection. Just tying, Romney showed he was on par with Obama when it came to foreign policy, so the election goes back to, "It's the economy, stupid."You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #12 October 24, 2012 Quote Romney already has the Conservatives. Last night was about getting support from the undecided's and Conservative Democrats. He was a stunning success at that. Obama looked angry and desperate to all but the Obama Drones. Damn, Chuckie Krauthammer is posting on SC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 October 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteRomney already has the Conservatives. Last night was about getting support from the undecided's and Conservative Democrats. He was a stunning success at that. Obama looked angry and desperate to all but the Obama Drones.So, it would seem that in your world Obama can either look like an outclassed fool, or angry and desperate; there are no other possibilities. And Romney can only look "in charge", or else stoic and presidential; there are no other possibilities. Good thing you're so objective about all this. Don Never made such a claim. It's obvious you are channeling your own world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 October 24, 2012 Quote Quote Romney already has the Conservatives. Last night was about getting support from the undecided's and Conservative Democrats. He was a stunning success at that. Obama looked angry and desperate to all but the Obama Drones. Damn, Chuckie Krauthammer is posting on SC. Intelligent and successful people like Romney set goals and then set out to achieve them. Something unsuccessful people don't understand. He had a different goal to active on each of these 3 debates. He knew over reaching would not play well so he set his sites on a different voter each time. This is why he has surged ever since the first debate. If you think Romney got to where he is without a plan to reach a specific demographic, then you really don't understand high achievers and what makes them different. Here's a book recommendation. I think you should read it several times. http://www.amazon.com/The-Habits-Highly-Effective-People/dp/0671708635 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #15 October 24, 2012 Thanks for the book recommendation, but I found it to be a bit light weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 October 24, 2012 Quote Thanks for the book recommendation, but I found it to be a bit light weight. I suspect the truth is you would find it very helpful. Many people report it helps them recognize why the continue to repeat the same defeatist pattern they have become ingrained with. Like expecting others to be responsible for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #17 October 24, 2012 QuoteQuote Thanks for the book recommendation, but I found it to be a bit light weight. I suspect the truth is you would find it very helpful. Many people report it helps them recognize why the continue to repeat the same defeatist pattern they have become ingrained with. Like expecting others to be responsible for them. As I said, I've read it. I'm well up in the 2% based on income, if not total assets, and don't expect anyone to be responsible for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 October 24, 2012 If you think Romney went into those 3 debates without a clear and concise plan to appeal to certain mindsets, then you don't understand how sucessful people get to where they are. Clearly you don't understand that highly successful people have very concise agendas and also have tha ability to execute them. Nice thing about the internet is someone can claim whatever they want. Top 2% is nothing. My CPA is in the top 2% and although very successful, he's not anywhere near in Romneys league. I doubt you are either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 October 24, 2012 So did Romney read that book at some point in the last 4 years? Or was he just lucky there wasn't someone as good as McCain in the field this time? Or (gasp!) does he actually not control everything? Which concise agenda was he working to with the 47% bit? I consider the whole "Business sucess = superior or more intelligent" concept you're trying to relate pretty silly and kind of sad. I know people who achieve what they want through lying, I don't respect them in the least. We all go after what we individually consider high priority. Some have longer term views than others, some try harder than others, and some have more inate ability than others, but none of this makes anyone particularly superior to anyone else except for the exact activity under discussion. I'll readily admit, Romney is a better businessman than me, and a better politician, but that's all I'm aware of. In this case, Romney got the RNC nomination because his competitors were even more out of touch with Americans than him, and there's a similar truism in the current race. If Romney were actually a good candidate, he'd have beaten McCain. If he beats Obama (and I think he will), it'll mostly be for the same reasons he beat Santorum, Bachmann, and Gingrich...he's not Obama. That, and his promise to cut taxes are pretty much the entirety of his 2-point platform. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 October 24, 2012 You missed the point by so much that it's not even wothy of a response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites