Gun and Ammo Tax

[rushmc 23]

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the same way all the narcotics being sold in Chicago were imported legally from Columbia.

Not quite, narcotics trade is illegal in Columbia.

guns were effectively illegal in Chicago until the Supreme Court tore them a new one, yet the results speak for themselves.

They do indeed - gun homicides in Chicago are way up since the SCOTUS decision.

That decision has has little to do with what is going on in Chicago as that city and its subs are still writing law to try and go around it

For the most part, owning a hand gun in chicago is still damn near impossible

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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it's not rocket science - if they can import bales of pot, they can easily import crates of guns. And that's certainly how any exotic automatic weapons make it. Gun smuggling has been around for a long time.

I know you are deliberately missing the point...

But, how do the smugglers get the guns?

[rehmwa 2]

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But, how do the smugglers get the guns?

they get them at a discount from the government - once the batteries on the trackers wear out, they are really pretty nice

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

In a legal purchase then.

That solves that one. Still waiting for those guns tha are illegal from the start. Other than those stolen straight from the factory of course.

[Anvilbrother 0]

They are imported from other countries where they are less regulated, or stolen there, then shipped here, or stolen in the us from law abiding citizens. You will NEVER eliminate illegal guns in the US. Gun regulations will only stop the law abiding from protecting themselves, or using them for recreation, the criminals will always have them.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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They are imported from other countries where they are less regulated, or stolen there, then shipped here, or stolen in the us from law abiding citizens. You will NEVER eliminate illegal guns in the US. Gun regulations will only stop the law abiding from protecting themselves, or using them for recreation, the criminals will always have them.

Hold your panties....not taking your guns away.

Just stated most guns start off as being legally purchased before entering the illegal marketplace.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Yea I know 4 African Americans kicked in my back door, and stole my tv, Xbox, and sig p220. I got the last laugh by being involved in the arrest. Unfortunately it's lost to the streets, did get the rest back tho.

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[CarpeDiem3 0]

It passed!

News: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/02/us-usa-guns-chicago-tax-idUSBRE8A11DH20121102

Quiote: "The county that includes Chicago on Friday approved a tax on firearms to help pay the healthcare costs from gun violence, the first major U.S. metropolitan area to impose such a tax as a form of gun control. Under the plan, Cook County, Illinois, will impose a $25 tax on each firearm sold."

Now let's watch this good idea spread to other areas of the country!

[rushmc 23]

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It passed!

News: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/02/us-usa-guns-chicago-tax-idUSBRE8A11DH20121102

Quiote: "The county that includes Chicago on Friday approved a tax on firearms to help pay the healthcare costs from gun violence, the first major U.S. metropolitan area to impose such a tax as a form of gun control. Under the plan, Cook County, Illinois, will impose a $25 tax on each firearm sold."

Now let's watch this good idea spread to other areas of the country!

all that happened here is more Cook County businesses will be going under

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[matthewcline 0]

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It passed!

News: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/02/us-usa-guns-chicago-tax-idUSBRE8A11DH20121102

Quiote: "The county that includes Chicago on Friday approved a tax on firearms to help pay the healthcare costs from gun violence, the first major U.S. metropolitan area to impose such a tax as a form of gun control. Under the plan, Cook County, Illinois, will impose a $25 tax on each firearm sold."

Now let's watch this good idea spread to other areas of the country!

all that happened here is more Cook County businesses will be going under

How much do we pay in Car Sales Tax, Gas Sales tax, and Booze Sales tax for DUI Victims care?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[CarpeDiem3 0]

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all that happened here is more Cook County businesses will be going under

A good firearm will cost $500 or more. An extra $25 shouldn't stop anyone from being able to afford it. That would be only 5% of the cost, less than the local sales tax.

And if businesses go under, it's only gun stores - no big deal, and to society's benefit.

[wmw999 2,589]

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And if businesses go under, it's only gun stores - no big deal, and to society's benefit.

Mmmmmm -- anyone wanna join me in some popcorn?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[matthewcline 0]

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And if businesses go under, it's only gun stores - no big deal, and to society's benefit.

Mmmmmm -- anyone wanna join me in some popcorn?

Wendy P.

Not worth the price of admission, gonna look for a real, thoughtful, intelligent, and genuine debate.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[1969912 0]

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And if businesses go under, it's only gun stores - no big deal, and to society's benefit.

Mmmmmm -- anyone wanna join me in some popcorn?

Wendy P.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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all that happened here is more Cook County businesses will be going under

A good firearm will cost $500 or more. An extra $25 shouldn't stop anyone from being able to afford it.

Usually _a_ firearm is enough to defend yourself (thugs tend to flee when people draw on them long before shooting starts) which needn't be good or expensive and $25 could well keep people from being able to buy _a_ gun.

Back in their 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandford ruling SCOTUS opined that if blacks were to be considered citizens

“It would give to persons of the Negro race, ... the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, ... the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.”

and the 14th Amendment made their fears come true.

While we can't legislate a stop to that we can progressively increase prices through taxation so the disproportionately statistically poor blacks can no longer afford guns to protect themselves. While $25 isn't much folks like us it is a 50% price increase on $50-$60 used Raven .25s and a nice start to making sure only our kind of people can afford to arm themselves.

A tax like this would be a conservative step back towards 1689 when the English Bill of Rights only allowed peasants arms "suitable to their conditions" before the American riff-raff started granting privileges to commoners.

Few people are entirely for (a few libertarians) or against (a few pacifists) armament. The rest of us just disagree over who are the right sort of people to arm - only non-felons, just police, police and the political elite, mostly white folks, etc.

I believe the right to keep and bear arms doesn't stop below some class line but fear that I'm in the minority amongst citizens and our governing elite like Dianne Feinstein with her concealed carry permit and anti-gun laws.

[skypuppy 1]

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And if businesses go under, it's only gun stores - no big deal, and to society's benefit.

Mmmmmm -- anyone wanna join me in some popcorn?

Wendy P.

Not worth the price of admission, gonna look for a real, thoughtful, intelligent, and genuine debate.
Matt

Or maybe, gonna look for a real, thoughtful, intelligent, and genuine person to debate...

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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[CarpeDiem3 0]

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While we can't legislate a stop to that we can progressively increase prices through taxation so the disproportionately statistically poor blacks can no longer afford guns to protect themselves. While $25 isn't much folks like us it is a 50% price increase on $50-$60 used Raven .25s and a nice start to making sure only our kind of people can afford to arm themselves.

Blacks comprise only 13% of the population. Even if every single one of them was "poor", there would still be more poor white people then there are poor black people. So this gun tax isn't something that discriminates only against blacks, and your racism argument doesn't hold water.

But if you want to exempt poor people from some taxes because they are disproportionately affected, then where does that lead? Should poor people be exempt from taxes on cars? Clothes? Groceries? Gas? Would the government start issuing "I'm poor" cards to qualified poor people, and then merchants at the point of sale would have to determine whether or not to charge sales tax based upon whether or not they had a "I'm poor" card? Sheesh.

If you want to take the serious step of making life or death decisions towards other people with a gun, then paying $25 isn't too much to ask.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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While we can't legislate a stop to that we can progressively increase prices through taxation so the disproportionately statistically poor blacks can no longer afford guns to protect themselves. While $25 isn't much folks like us it is a 50% price increase on $50-$60 used Raven .25s and a nice start to making sure only our kind of people can afford to arm themselves.

Blacks comprise only 13% of the population. Even if every single one of them was "poor", there would still be more poor white people then there are poor black people. So this gun tax isn't something that discriminates against blacks, and your racism argument doesn't hold water.

They're also half of all murder victims and disproportionately in need of self-defense.

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But if you want to exempt poor people from some taxes because they are disproportionately affected, then where does that lead? Should poor people be exempt from taxes on cars? Clothes? Groceries? Gas?

Only if we amend the constitution to state that the right of the people to own and drive cars shall not be infringed.

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Would the government start issuing "I'm poor" cards to qualified poor people, and then merchants at the point of sale would have to determine whether or not to charge sales tax based upon whether or not they had a "I'm poor" card? Sheesh.

We give EBT cards to poor people to help with the food budget, 31 states exempt most food purchased for consumption at home from sales tax entirely, and only two tax it fully.

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If you want to take the serious step of making life or death decisions towards other people with a gun, then paying $25 isn't too much to ask.

It is way too much to ask and reeks of racism like overt bans on niggertown Saturday night specials (especially as $25 becomes $250 or $2500).

It's also stupid. Accidental deaths from other causes are much more prevalent (fewer than 700 people are killed in firearms accidents each year). Major causes of accidental deaths from other objects (in 2009 34,485 peopled died in motor vehicle accidents, 24,792 died from falls, 31,758 died from poisoning, etc) far out number those murdered (11,493 in 2009) and accidentally killed with guns together.

People who care more about other people than their own paranoid fear of guns should be focussed on those bigger threats to safety instead.

[CarpeDiem3 0]

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Blacks comprise only 13% of the population. Even if every single one of them was "poor", there would still be more poor white people then there are poor black people. So this gun tax isn't something that discriminates against blacks, and your racism argument doesn't hold water.

They're also half of all murder victims and disproportionately in need of self-defense.

Who is doing most of that murdering? Other blacks. Sounds like a good reason for 'em not to have easy guns.

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Accidental deaths from other causes are much more prevalent... People who care more about other people than their own paranoid fear of guns should be focussed on those bigger threats to safety instead.

I'm worried only a little about accidents. I'm worried a lot about intentional gun attacks. All those blacks didn't die from accidental shootings. They died because men with evil-hearts wanted to kill them. Those men shouldn't have easy, cheap guns.

[regulator 0]

I'm worried only a little about accidents. I'm worried a lot about intentional gun attacks. All those blacks didn't die from accidental shootings. They died because men with evil-hearts wanted to kill them. Those men shouldn't have easy, cheap guns.

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I think we can figure out youre worried. The question is...will you actually do something about it or continue to let everyone else know how deeply your vagina bleeds for things you have absolutely no control over.

[Gravitymaster 0]

So now you want a law passed that restricts blacks from owning guns? You have really run off the rails on this one.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I'm worried only a little about accidents. I'm worried a lot about intentional gun attacks. All those blacks didn't die from accidental shootings. They died because men with evil-hearts wanted to kill them. Those men shouldn't have easy, cheap guns.

$25 doesn't affect the people doing the killing. As a capital investment in your chosen trade of "street thug" $25 is not much compared to the contents of a single wallet.

It does affect crime victims. $25 more to protect yourself is significant compared to the other expenses which go with feeding, clothing, and educating your family and poverty level wages.

[matthewcline 0]

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I'm worried only a little about accidents. I'm worried a lot about intentional gun attacks. All those blacks didn't die from accidental shootings. They died because men with evil-hearts wanted to kill them. Those men shouldn't have easy, cheap guns.

$25 doesn't affect the people doing the killing. As a capital investment in your chosen trade of "street thug" $25 is not much compared to the contents of a single wallet.

It does affect crime victims. $25 more to protect yourself is significant compared to the other expenses which go with feeding, clothing, and educating your family and poverty level wages.

Not too mention that Criminals and Gangs tend NOT to go to the local gun shop and BUY guns that they would pay a tax on. Law abiding citizens on the other hand, do, and they will foot the bill for this unfounded fear.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[kelpdiver 2]

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If you want to take the serious step of making life or death decisions towards other people with a gun, then paying $25 isn't too much to ask.

So how do you feel about a $25 poll tax?

[CarpeDiem3 0]

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So now you want a law passed that restricts blacks from owning guns? You have really run off the rails on this one.

Negative. I want killers to not be able to get guns. Their skin color matters naught. If the black communities are suffering a larger than normal number of murders, then the gun laws there should be even more important to enforce.