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rushmc 23
QuoteUpdate:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chicagos-cook-county-drops-bullet-tax-keeps-gun-221122419.html
Drat! They gave up on the bullet tax. But are still considering the gun sale tax.
Let's see, 670 victims of gun violence times $52k each, equals $35 million! And they're only going to collect $600k with a $25 gun sale tax? That doesn't come close to covering the cost of gun violence. Let's see, $600k raised divided by $25 tax on each gun sale means there are 24,000 guns sold each year there. Why do people need all those guns? In order to cover the $34 million cost of violence, each new gun sale would have to be taxed... Let's see, $35 million divided by 24,000 gun sales = $1,458 sales tax per new gun. Yep, that'll put a damper on gun sales. Let's do it! Or if you gunnies want to spread the cost around more, we can also tax already-owned guns each year.
Regarding the 5-cent bullet tax exceeding the cost of the ammo. So what? Do it anyway. Or make it a percent of the bullet cost. For .22 rimfire, make it a penny each. For .45 make it a dime each.
Something's got to be done about those 440 murders in Chicago so far this year. That's intolerable.
And if having more guns than computers is a bad thing, then let's implement a computer tax and use the funds to give computers to the poor.
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To follow your line of thought I would have to assume all the guns I own are defective as they have yet to be caught killing anyone
Guns dont kill
People kill
Tax all you want
Nothing changes unless society does
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteTo follow your line of thought I would have to assume all the guns I own are defective as they have yet to be caught killing anyone
Guns dont kill
People kill
Tax all you want
Are you saying that your guns HAVE killed someone, but you just haven't been caught yet?
We're not really taxing the guns, since guns don't have income or pay taxes. We're taxing the people who buy the guns.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteTo follow your line of thought I would have to assume all the guns I own are defective as they have yet to be caught killing anyone
Guns dont kill
People kill
Tax all you want
Are you saying that your guns HAVE killed someone, but you just haven't been caught yet?
We're not really taxing the guns, since guns don't have income or pay taxes. We're taxing the people who buy the guns.
Which exposes another problem
The vast majority of those who purchase guns dont kill others either
Guns are not the problem
People are
Taxing hurts the law abiding for the most part
Criminals will not (for the most part) ever pay your tax
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteUpdate:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chicagos-cook-county-drops-bullet-tax-keeps-gun-221122419.html
Drat! They gave up on the bullet tax. But are still considering the gun sale tax.
Let's see, 670 victims of gun violence times $52k each, equals $35 million! And they're only going to collect $600k with a $25 gun sale tax? That doesn't come close to covering the cost of gun violence. Let's see, $600k raised divided by $25 tax on each gun sale means there are 24,000 guns sold each year there. Why do people need all those guns? In order to cover the $34 million cost of violence, each new gun sale would have to be taxed... Let's see, $35 million divided by 24,000 gun sales = $1,458 sales tax per new gun. Yep, that'll put a damper on gun sales. Let's do it! Or if you gunnies want to spread the cost around more, we can also tax already-owned guns each year.
Regarding the 5-cent bullet tax exceeding the cost of the ammo. So what? Do it anyway. Or make it a percent of the bullet cost. For .22 rimfire, make it a penny each. For .45 make it a dime each.
Something's got to be done about those 440 murders in Chicago so far this year. That's intolerable.
And if having more guns than computers is a bad thing, then let's implement a computer tax and use the funds to give computers to the poor.
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Something's got to be done about those 440 murders in Chicago so far this year. That's intolerable.
Go ahead and provide the documents that show ALL of those 440 people were killed with guns purchased legally and how this tax proposal will actually change anything.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteGo ahead and provide the documents that show ALL of those 440 people were killed with guns purchased legally
Unless the guns were all stolen from the factory, they were once legally purchased
rhaig 0
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Taxing hurts the law abiding for the most part
Taxing hurts the low income law abiding.
Why does CarpeDiem3 hate poor people?
It's ok to make people pay taxes in order to exercise their right to keep and bear arms but not ok to make them pay taxes to exercise their right to vote?
Why do the gun grabbers hate poor people?
Omaba insinuated that certain low cost handguns should be banned.
Why does Obama hate poor people?
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Rob
Rob
QuoteQuoteGo ahead and provide the documents that show ALL of those 440 people were killed with guns purchased legally
Unless the guns were all stolen from the factory, they were once legally purchased
the same way all the narcotics being sold in Chicago were imported legally from Columbia.
QuoteWhich exposes another problem
The vast majority of those who purchase guns dont kill others either
Guns are not the problem
People are
Taxing hurts the law abiding for the most part
Criminals will not (for the most part) ever pay your tax
Tax payers pay for everything. But you have to have taxes, so that's who you get them from. We can't make burglars pay for police, or arsonists to pay for firemen. The law-abiding do that. Likewise, law-abiding gun owners should pay for the cost of the illegal use of guns. Just as law-abiding drivers pay for the cost of roads and drunk drivers. All I'm saying is that gun owners should pony up and pay their fair share, for the bad effects of the particular thing that they believe in.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteWhich exposes another problem
The vast majority of those who purchase guns dont kill others either
Guns are not the problem
People are
Taxing hurts the law abiding for the most part
Criminals will not (for the most part) ever pay your tax
Tax payers pay for everything. But you have to have taxes, so that's who you get them from. We can't make burglars pay for police, or arsonists to pay for firemen. The law-abiding do that. Likewise, law-abiding gun owners should pay for the cost of the illegal use of guns. Just as law-abiding drivers pay for the cost of roads and drunk drivers. All I'm saying is that gun owners should pony up and pay their fair share, for the bad effects of the particular thing that they believe in.
They already pay their fair share
They pay sales tax just like everyone else
You dont like guns so you want to punish those that do
The guns do no cause the bad effects. That is a strawman argument on your part
People cause the problems you are complaining about
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyDekker 1,465
Quotethe same way all the narcotics being sold in Chicago were imported legally from Columbia.
Not quite, narcotics trade is illegal in Columbia.
QuoteQuotethe same way all the narcotics being sold in Chicago were imported legally from Columbia.
Not quite, narcotics trade is illegal in Columbia.
guns were effectively illegal in Chicago until the Supreme Court tore them a new one, yet the results speak for themselves.
In short, no, not every gun was once legally purchased. Or close to it.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteIn short, no, not every gun was once legally purchased. Or close to it.
Then how did they get there? Unless stolen directly from the factory, they were once legally purchased to get into rotation.
It was kind of a tongue in cheek statement. But now I am interested in finding out which other ways guns get into illegal hands without ever there have been a legal transfer of ownership.
QuoteQuoteIn short, no, not every gun was once legally purchased. Or close to it.
Then how did they get there? Unless stolen directly from the factory, they were once legally purchased to get into rotation.
as I said...the same way they obtain drugs. Illegally.
SkyDekker 1,465
Quoteas I said...the same way they obtain drugs. Illegally.
So they are being manufactured illegally, is that what you mean?
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. Manufacture of guns is legal in many countries. Manufacture of narcotics is illegal in most countries.
Your comparison doesn't make sense without any further explanation.
kallend 2,151
QuoteQuoteQuotethe same way all the narcotics being sold in Chicago were imported legally from Columbia.
Not quite, narcotics trade is illegal in Columbia.
guns were effectively illegal in Chicago until the Supreme Court tore them a new one, yet the results speak for themselves.
They do indeed - gun homicides in Chicago are way up since the SCOTUS decision.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteas I said...the same way they obtain drugs. Illegally.
So they are being manufactured illegally, is that what you mean?
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. Manufacture of guns is legal in many countries. Manufacture of narcotics is illegal in most countries.
Your comparison doesn't make sense without any further explanation.
it's not rocket science - if they can import bales of pot, they can easily import crates of guns. And that's certainly how any exotic automatic weapons make it. Gun smuggling has been around for a long time.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chicagos-cook-county-drops-bullet-tax-keeps-gun-221122419.html
Drat! They gave up on the bullet tax. But are still considering the gun sale tax.
Let's see, 670 victims of gun violence times $52k each, equals $35 million! And they're only going to collect $600k with a $25 gun sale tax? That doesn't come close to covering the cost of gun violence. Let's see, $600k raised divided by $25 tax on each gun sale means there are 24,000 guns sold each year there. Why do people need all those guns? In order to cover the $34 million cost of violence, each new gun sale would have to be taxed... Let's see, $35 million divided by 24,000 gun sales = $1,458 sales tax per new gun. Yep, that'll put a damper on gun sales. Let's do it! Or if you gunnies want to spread the cost around more, we can also tax already-owned guns each year.
Regarding the 5-cent bullet tax exceeding the cost of the ammo. So what? Do it anyway. Or make it a percent of the bullet cost. For .22 rimfire, make it a penny each. For .45 make it a dime each.
Something's got to be done about those 440 murders in Chicago so far this year. That's intolerable.
And if having more guns than computers is a bad thing, then let's implement a computer tax and use the funds to give computers to the poor.
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