Gravitymaster 0 #26 October 22, 2012 You are missing the point. It's not about what it was called. It's about the cover-up before an election. You probably think all Clinton did was get a blow job, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #27 October 22, 2012 QuoteBush didn't have specific intel as to where and when. Apparently, Obama did. You also hammered Bush for 10 years. Where is the outrage now. I guess not enough people died for you to get upset. If there was such intel, it would be good to find out why it wasn't acted upon. There might be valid reasons, there might not be. Wouldn't be the first time people died as a result of politically driven niaction. Sometimes it is even the right thing to do. A deliberate attack in a war with 4 dead as a result isn't that deadly. Both sides have done much worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #28 October 22, 2012 What is the cover up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #29 October 22, 2012 It would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 October 22, 2012 QuoteIt would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly. How the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly. How the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? The average and above ones do. The below average ones are still attempting to make this into something it's not.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 October 22, 2012 QuoteWho cares what it is called? If the issue is that intell existed and wasn't acted upon. Fine, that is a problem, seems like that particular problem had a less severe result this time. This argument about what it was called is idiotic. ABSOLUTELY - seems the Obama camp and the Romney camp are idiotic then both are pissing over words and hoping we'll all infer something to their benefit when they should just come out and SAY it (i.e., your initial point) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #33 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly. How the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."; H. L. Mencken... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 October 22, 2012 QuoteHow the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? apparently not since the campaigns are hoping to confuse the two ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 October 22, 2012 The only ones trying to imply its somehow a nefarious coverup are the far right wing guys over in the Romney camp. Obama has been pretty transparent about it from day 1 and call it a terrorist act right in the Rose Garden.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #36 October 22, 2012 The full transcript. 10:43 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger. Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts. Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died. It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps. Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home. Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done. But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity. We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children. Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America. END 10:48 A.M. EDT Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 October 22, 2012 Quote The only ones trying to imply its somehow a nefarious coverup are the far right wing guys over in the Romney camp. Obama has been pretty transparent about it from day 1 and call it a terrorist act right in the Rose Garden. It's always one sided in Quade-world. Not surprised. yes - "act of terror", and then they blamed the video for two weeks, had the guy arrested on trumped up charges, and then changed back to the original story when it got hot and visible. The speech and the initial take on it was the right thing and all he needed to do was stick with that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #38 October 22, 2012 He talked about the founding of the country, the 2001 attacks, and the recent attacks, then 2 paragraphs later made that vague statement. Never did he say the embassy attack was a terrorist attack in the same sentence. So both sides will never get a true reading on this, and who gives a shit anyways its all a bunch of huff on word play. Who cares if he DID or DIDDNT call it an attack, what does it matter? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 October 22, 2012 What do you think the press conference in the Rose Garden was about? Did he say "film"? No. He invoked the the memory of 9/11/2001, probably the most famous terrorist attack of all time. You guys are amazing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #40 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly. How the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."; H. L. Mencken Quite an indictment of your profession there perfesser. Back in'02 you had this to say... QuoteUS administrations have lied to their own citizens and to Congress with sufficient regularity (examples on request, but I'm sure you know them as well as I) that anyone who now accepts information from the administration without independent verification has to be crazy. I would suggest, for example, a statement from the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (who has security clearance) that the committee has inspected the actual evidence and is convinced that it is genuine. Even better would be if the administration gave its evidence to Hans Blix, a statement from whom I would find more credible than a statement from President Bush. And yet today you're willing to believe any story the Obama administration floats down the river. I wonder what changed?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #41 October 22, 2012 Why are you still arguing, don't you agree both sides are just full of shit about this and everyone should move on, or are you going to still be here defending your hero about this when even the media will have moved on? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 October 22, 2012 Actually, I don't agree that both sides are full of shit. I think the right wing camp who are trying to make hay out of nothing are full of shit because they, as was Romney in his debate last week, are completely wrong about it. Flat out, no question about it, wrong.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteOnly problem is they had lots of intel that a terrorist attack was in the works and did nothing about it. That's the real reason for all the spin. Yet Bush got re-elected. Many more people died in that terrorist attack. Uhhh, wait a minute All that was going to end once we elected Obama cause the world would love us/ ah him, umm the US"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteBush didn't have specific intel as to where and when. Apparently, Obama did. You also hammered Bush for 10 years. Where is the outrage now. I guess not enough people died for you to get upset. If there was such intel, it would be good to find out why it wasn't acted upon. There might be valid reasons, there might not be. Wouldn't be the first time people died as a result of politically driven niaction. Sometimes it is even the right thing to do. A deliberate attack in a war with 4 dead as a result isn't that deadly. Both sides have done much worse. Watergate was just a botched second rate burglary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #45 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt would appear that the administration knew this was a terrorist act but tried to pass it off as a spontaneous attack by towelheads in reaction to a youTube vid. Too close to an election to have anyone saying they didn't act correctly. How the government reacted and what the act is called are two different things. Surely the average American understands that? "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."; H. L. Mencken Quite an indictment of your profession there perfesser. My profession doesn't create intelligence. It educates intelligent people. Quote Back in'02 you had this to say... QuoteUS administrations have lied to their own citizens and to Congress with sufficient regularity (examples on request, but I'm sure you know them as well as I) that anyone who now accepts information from the administration without independent verification has to be crazy. I would suggest, for example, a statement from the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (who has security clearance) that the committee has inspected the actual evidence and is convinced that it is genuine. Even better would be if the administration gave its evidence to Hans Blix, a statement from whom I would find more credible than a statement from President Bush. And yet today you're willing to believe any story the Obama administration floats down the river. I wonder what changed? Nice STRAWMAN you created there. What "story" have I defended today?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteThey had no reason to even try the 'it's the video' gambit - I have no idea WHY they did even Because there were protest against the film in something like 19 other countries at the same time. It's not unreasonable to think that maybe a 20th had simply gotten out of hand, or . . . the attack was simply a MUCH stronger form of protest which rose to the level of being a terrorist attack. OR . . . The State Department didn't want to use the word "terrorist" for diplomatic reasons since that escalates things to an even higher level. Clearly not everybody was on the same page, but holy hell guys, what President Obama said shouldn't even be in question. It's a black and white historic fact. Quade: The problem is lying. There was one story - "act of terrorism" or whatever. Then the President went on the View a couple of weeks later and declined to label it terrorism - saying "it wasn't just mob action." Then it became Al Qaeda. Then there was no request for additional security. Then Congressional testimony about a request fro additional security. Then a denial about there being a request for additional security, but if there was, it was Paul Ryan's fault. That's the problem - there are so many stories out there. What is to be believed? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #47 October 22, 2012 And can you guess WHY there are so many stories out there? It's because every time he opens his mouth some fuckwad right wing nitwit makes up a completely bullshit story and then Brietbart & company repeat it ad infinitum until some other people believe it's true. My god, this is as stupid as the birther thing. If I made up a complete fabrication about everything you ever said, yes, there would be a lot of stories "out there." It doesn't mean they're true.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #48 October 22, 2012 How about these list of lies that have been FACT checked http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #49 October 22, 2012 QuoteHow about these list of lies that have been FACT checked http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies Ok, now do the Romney list... Got a big enough Internet for that?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #50 October 23, 2012 I provided my site, find me one for Romney that lists his lies, and FACT checks that prove otherwise. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
