Gallup has Mitt now up by 7

[airdvr 210]

...amongst likely voters. Meanwhile unemployment is on the rise again. Nearly half the population ranks their current life situation as 'struggling' and again only half (46%) of the population is considered to be part of the workforce.

Such a stellar record for the incumbent president. On the upside he has a great future...in peanut farming.

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Remember any of these jewels of wisdom?

"I'm confident ... our 21st century investments will create jobs immediately," adding, "We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country."

President Obama said in February 2009 that the stimulus would lift "2 million Americans from poverty." But since Obama took office, 6.3 million Americans have fallen into poverty.

...the "green economy," Obama vowed, would create millions of jobs. The Energy Department has handed out $35.2 billion in stimulus money to jumpstart the clean energy industry, but it's created more red ink than green jobs. Nationally, green technology accounts for just 2 percent of employment nationwide and there has been no marked boom in the industry.

Obama promised the stimulus would put one million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/02/17/the-five-biggest-failures-from-president-obamas-stimulus-law

I think a bunch of people are beginning to see the folly that was putting the presidency in the hands of someone with so little experience.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

~D
Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me.
Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

[billvon 3,121]

>the "green economy," Obama vowed, would create millions of jobs. The Energy
>Department has handed out $35.2 billion in stimulus money to jumpstart the clean
>energy industry, but it's created more red ink than green jobs. Nationally, green
>technology accounts for just 2 percent of employment nationwide . . . .

Obama 1, Airdvr 0:

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Report: ‘The Greener The Industry, The Higher The Job Growth Rate Over The Last Decade’

By Stephen Lacey
Oct 10, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Industries that support a higher number of “green” workers who are making goods and services more environmentally friendly have experienced a higher rate of growth over the last decade than industries with fewer green jobs.

That’s according to a new study from the Economic Policy Institute, which analyzed data on the green workforce from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The BLS data, which was released in March, documented 3.1 million green jobs nation-wide in renewable energy, water management, recycling, and various positions that help improve the efficiency and environmental footprint of a company or institution.
. . .

Pollack found that for every percentage point increase in the “green intensity” of a particular industry, annual job growth in that sector increased by 0.034 of a percentage point between 2000 and 2010.

Pollack also compared the green intensity of industries with BLS employment projections through 2020, finding that industries working to make their processes more efficient and their products more environmentally-friendly will likely see a 0.019 percentage point increase in employment over industries that do not.

“The conversation around green jobs has become polarizing,” said Pollack on a conference call today. “But the concept of green jobs should not be polarizing. We’re trying to depoliticize this issue and show that green jobs are all around us.”

The analysis also found that states with a higher penetration of green jobs saw slightly faster economic recoveries after the recession than states with fewer green jobs. However, this trend is heavily influenced by stimulus funding, which played a major role in continuing investment momentum in the clean energy industries.

This is consistent with last year’s Brookings Institution green jobs study, which found that the “clean economy” grew by 8.3 percent during the height of the U.S. economic downturn between 2008 and 2009 — almost double the overall economy during that period.

Traditionally, green jobs been defined strictly within the clean energy sector. But that industry is only one piece of the overall shift toward a more sustainable economy. In their respective reports, Brookings and BLS report tried to define those jobs as providing a broader array of goods and services that make operations more environmentally-friendly — offering a better representation of how businesses and institutions will make the transition.

This latest report from EPI shows that the deeper the “greening” goes in industries, the more jobs are created.
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That Gallup poll was Oct 11-17, so only 1/7th at most was post-2nd debate. Let us hold our breath for their next week update.

Meanwhile,

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

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That Gallup poll was Oct 11-17, so only 1/7th at most was post-2nd debate. Let us hold our breath for their next week update.

There is only one poll that counts and that is the poll on election day. I have already seen this election play itself out a few short months ago but on a smaller scale. What am I talking about? Here in Alberta (you know the place that has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World), we had a Provincial election where the incumbent "Alberta Progressive Conservative Party" (conservative in name only) put their 41 year dynasty of rule on the line. For years Liberals have been crying fowl with how corrupt and how incompetent the Alberta PC Party was and finally after years of supporting the PC Party, Alberta conservatives final saw the light and spun off a new conservative party called "The Wildrose Party". Alberta is the most conservative province in Canada and the Wildrose Party was so far ahead in the polls during the early parts of the election, it was clear that the PC Party was going down. But the media is in bed with the ruling PC Party and while yes a couple of Wildrose candidates said some dumb remarks on the campaign trail which the media jumped all over, there were people from the PC Party who were making the exact same remarks. Did the media report this? Of course not. Instead the media launched into a "Campaign of Fear" against the Wildrose while they ignored the corruption and incompetence of the PC Party. So it's election day, the polls say the Wildrose have lost some support, but the polls are still predicting a Wildrose victory. But once all the votes are counted, yes the Alberta PC Party lost a lot of support in the popular vote, but they did manage to win yet another large majority and their dynasty of rule has now been extended to 45 years. What happened? Why were the polls so wrong? Liberals who for years were calling the Alberta PC Party corrupt abandoned their own Liberal Party and voted en mass for the corrupt and incompetent PC Party. The Liberal Party was decimated in the election. Where did all the Liberal votes go? Liberals sure as fuck would not be supporting the Wildrose Party. Do the math.

Now this isn't an apples to apples comparison. Here in Alberta there were four political parties in play whereas the US election only has two. But I believe the Alberta election was a litmus test for how the media can manipulate elections for their bigger prize, the 2012 US Presidential election.

No Polls mean shit, especially when the media is manipulating them. There is only one poll that counts and that is the poll on election day. Ignore all the other ones.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[JerryBaumchen 1,469]

Hi Canuck,

Let us never forget: DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN



JerryBaumchen

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

Well, you have better use a differnt set of nerves then

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

Typical left winger.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Romney has "The Big Mo". It's his to lose at this point.

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

Typical left winger.

Where exactly did I state a stance. I clearly addressed this to both sides of the fence. This type of reply doesn't really surprise me at all. It's very consistent with the way that people behave these days.

I mean, sure there is no simple answer, everyone thinks their own opinion is right. I just hope this doesn't play out the way I envision it playing out, cause that's going to suck for everyone.

Greed on all sides of the fence is starting to build into an insurmountable amount of problems.

~D
Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me.
Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

[airdvr 210]

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

If they want to take the credit for the good stuff they get to take credit for the bad as well.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

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That Gallup poll was Oct 11-17, so only 1/7th at most was post-2nd debate. Let us hold our breath for their next week update.

Meanwhile,

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

Romney started October with 191 Electoral votes and is now at 257. Trending up I'd say.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

Obama 1, Airdvr 4:

FIFY

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[skypuppy 1]

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Such a stellar record for the incumbent president.

Ya know, it's starting to get on my nerves. The amount of drivel about this president or that directly affecting things like this in any sort of "real time." Every single president (along with congress, etc), republican and democrat, is reacting to one thing or another and trying to push it around. The real truth of how that exactly works out is so many times more complicated than you can even imagine.

Throwing it around like political drivel is super awesome though isn't it.

If they want to take the credit for the good stuff they get to take credit for the bad as well.

I wish we had a 'like' button.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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>the "green economy," Obama vowed, would create millions of jobs. The Energy
>Department has handed out $35.2 billion in stimulus money to jumpstart the clean
>energy industry, but it's created more red ink than green jobs. Nationally, green
>technology accounts for just 2 percent of employment nationwide . . . .

Obama 1, Airdvr 0:

====================
Report: ‘The Greener The Industry, The Higher The Job Growth Rate Over The Last Decade’

By Stephen Lacey
Oct 10, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Industries that support a higher number of “green” workers who are making goods and services more environmentally friendly have experienced a higher rate of growth over the last decade than industries with fewer green jobs.

That’s according to a new study from the Economic Policy Institute, which analyzed data on the green workforce from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The BLS data, which was released in March, documented 3.1 million green jobs nation-wide in renewable energy, water management, recycling, and various positions that help improve the efficiency and environmental footprint of a company or institution.
. . .

Pollack found that for every percentage point increase in the “green intensity” of a particular industry, annual job growth in that sector increased by 0.034 of a percentage point between 2000 and 2010.

Pollack also compared the green intensity of industries with BLS employment projections through 2020, finding that industries working to make their processes more efficient and their products more environmentally-friendly will likely see a 0.019 percentage point increase in employment over industries that do not.

“The conversation around green jobs has become polarizing,” said Pollack on a conference call today. “But the concept of green jobs should not be polarizing. We’re trying to depoliticize this issue and show that green jobs are all around us.”

The analysis also found that states with a higher penetration of green jobs saw slightly faster economic recoveries after the recession than states with fewer green jobs. However, this trend is heavily influenced by stimulus funding, which played a major role in continuing investment momentum in the clean energy industries.

This is consistent with last year’s Brookings Institution green jobs study, which found that the “clean economy” grew by 8.3 percent during the height of the U.S. economic downturn between 2008 and 2009 — almost double the overall economy during that period.

Traditionally, green jobs been defined strictly within the clean energy sector. But that industry is only one piece of the overall shift toward a more sustainable economy. In their respective reports, Brookings and BLS report tried to define those jobs as providing a broader array of goods and services that make operations more environmentally-friendly — offering a better representation of how businesses and institutions will make the transition.

This latest report from EPI shows that the deeper the “greening” goes in industries, the more jobs are created.
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I was going to say something about of course this makes sense. As soon as you start bringing in 'green energies', the cost of power goes up astronomically and most of your manufacturing sector will shut down or move because they can't afford to run their machinery. So when you introduce green energy on a massive scale, you'll lose your traditional labor base.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[billvon 3,121]

>Gallup has Mitt now up by 7

No wonder the stock market is getting hammered.

[Skyrad 0]

'Gallup has Mitt now up by 7' thats nothing I'm up by 6 everyday.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[brenthutch 444]

"Industries that support a higher number of “green” workers who are making goods and services more environmentally friendly have experienced a higher rate of growth over the last decade than industries with fewer green jobs."

The green jobs are being created by the BLS redefining existing jobs as "green” Moving the job from the non-green category to the green category. Green jobs up, non-green jobs down. Net new jobs ZERO Ask the guys at a123 about green jobs


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/business/battery-maker-a123-systems-files-for-bankruptcy.html