livendive 8 #51 October 19, 2012 Absolutely, and while I'd like to protest with a "Who you calling old?!", the truth is I'm feeling too old these days to make it believable. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #52 October 19, 2012 Quote> If in fact global warming was an important issue why does Obama no longer mention it? Because the question wasn't asked. And why was it not asked? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #53 October 19, 2012 QuoteI think it's all relevant. But some is more relevant than others.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #54 October 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteI think it's all relevant. But some is more relevant than others. that's a reasonable statement My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #55 October 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteMedicine and substantial improvements in all sorts of science came at the same time. It was a grand synergy. Additional correlations. But the question is: "But would you say that people are worse off since fossil fuels began being used or better off?" As I noted, it's having a negative effect the past couple decades as we're getting lazy and fat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 October 19, 2012 Quoteit's having a negative effect the past couple decades as we're getting lazy and fat. I understand that point. But "fat" is a sign of societal affluence, isn't it? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #57 October 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou'd need a calculator to tally up the dead coal miners too. That same calculator can be used to tally up coal miners with health insurance. Coal is an industry that has killed thousands of people over the last century, and continues to kill people (Sago, Big Branch). The coal industry has a fatality rate nearly 10 times higher than all private industry in the US. And then there are the non-fatal health problems associated with coal mining. How many workers are killed by the solar and wind industries? A lot more than coal in the last few years (in the US) "A dark side of the wind industry that many media outlets have failed to report on is the thousands of documented cases of serious accidents. These include numerous documented cases of turbines falling over, blades flying off, injuries to workers and the public, and at least 99 reported fatality accidents. Of the deaths, 67 were wind industry and direct supporters workers or small turbine operators and 32 were public fatalities.Wind turbine fire" http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/9238 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #58 October 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteit's having a negative effect the past couple decades as we're getting lazy and fat. I understand that point. But "fat" is a sign of societal affluence, isn't it? well, the question was are they worse off. I think the high point was sometime in the 60s or early 70s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #59 October 23, 2012 Rebuttal of the Mail article from the UK Met Office: metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites