No global warming for the last 16 years while tax payer $$ wasted on another bankrupt battery company

[brenthutch 444]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34227_162-57533597/electric-battery-maker-a123-systems-goes-bankrupt/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

What will it take to stop this madness? That is not a rhetorical question. Really, what will it take? How many billions will have to be wasted, how long will global temps have to remain flat? How many tax dollars will go to subsidize Bill V's car purchase?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W9bOBwPuRU

[billvon 3,120]

Hottest year on record: 2005

A little knowledge goes a long way in terms of preventing foot-in-mouth syndrome.

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Hottest year on record: 2005

A little knowledge goes a long way in terms of preventing foot-in-mouth syndrome.

Absolutely the hottest year on record. What was the temperature in the year 1000BC?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[davjohns 1]

I don't see the issue here as being global warming, yes or no. I see it as whether it makes sense to subsidize a company that is not producing alternative transportation, but is producing a hot 'car du jour' for the elite. If it was subsidizing smart cars or something of that sort, at least it would make some sense. Subsidizing this company makes no sense. The eco argument is just being used to get taxpayer money. It devalues the legitimate arguments for alternative fuels.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[billvon 3,120]

> It devalues the legitimate arguments for alternative fuels.

Interesting. What are the arguments for alternative fuels in your view? I ask because often the argument for alternative fuels is labeled as an "eco argument just being used to get taxpayer money."

[davjohns 1]

Fossil fuels are finite. They WILL run out. We need to use the finite to reach the much more plentiful alternatives. Sooner is better than later.

Planets are finite at the moment. We only have one viable alternative right now. Don't shit where you eat.

You'll see in my post in another thread of this ilk that I also disagree with handing out taxpayer money. It will be misused. Guaranteed. However, taxing fossil fuels to force the market to find a solution might work. The pot of gold has to be at the end of the research rainbow in the form of profits. Placing the pot of gold at the beginning of the rainbow just ensures you will lose lots of gold.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[billvon 3,120]

>Fossil fuels are finite. They WILL run out. We need to use the finite to reach the
>much more plentiful alternatives. Sooner is better than later.

Agreed there.

>You'll see in my post in another thread of this ilk that I also disagree with handing out
>taxpayer money. It will be misused. Guaranteed. However, taxing fossil fuels to force
>the market to find a solution might work.

Also agreed. However, politically subsidies have been more acceptable to the general public than fossil fuel taxes. So a politician who wants to advance the cause of alternatives often has only one avenue they can practically take. Hopefully that will change.

[kallend 2,151]

Daily Mail debunked already:

news.discovery.com/earth/no-global-warming-hasnt-stopped-121017.html

They should stick to UFO stories.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

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Hottest year on record: 2005

A little knowledge goes a long way in terms of preventing foot-in-mouth syndrome.

And steady or dropping ever since.

From NOAA
•The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January–September 2012 was the eighth warmest such period on record.

A little more knowledge goes a long way in preventing a cranial-rectal inversion.

[billvon 3,120]

>And steady or dropping ever since.

Yep. And I predict temperatures here in the US will drop significantly between now and December. Global warming - disproved!

[brenthutch 444]

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>And steady or dropping ever since.

Yep. And I predict temperatures here in the US will drop significantly between now and December. Global warming - disproved!

What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature" could you not wrap your brain around?

[billvon 3,120]

>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

[Stumpy 284]

Interested to know Brenthutch's agenda. Work for an energy company?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[brenthutch 444]

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Interested to know Brenthutch's agenda. Work for an energy company?

Just an advocate for the truth and a crusader for the average American.

[brenthutch 444]

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>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

Are you questioning the veracity of the NOAA data? Now look who is afraid of science.

[Stumpy 284]

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Interested to know Brenthutch's agenda. Work for an energy company?

Just an advocate for the truth and a crusader for the average American.

Bullshit. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you with a binder full of women.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[brenthutch 444]

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Interested to know Brenthutch's agenda. Work for an energy company?

Just an advocate for the truth and a crusader for the average American.

Bullshit. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you with a binder full of women.

Stay on the porch June bug; you clearly lack the intellectual ability to contribute to the discussion.

[kallend 2,151]

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>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

Are you questioning the veracity of the NOAA data? Now look who is afraid of science.

I suspect he's questioning your erroneous interpretation of data.

blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017ee434865c970d-pi

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[brenthutch 444]

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>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

Are you questioning the veracity of the NOAA data? Now look who is afraid of science.

I suspect he's questioning your erroneous interpretation of data.

blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017ee434865c970d-pi

I don't recall any interpretation of data. I just cited NOAA's YTD data, taken right from their website. I am just quoting government climate scientists. Now if you hate science and won’t listen to the top climate scientists in the world......well that just makes me sad.

[kallend 2,151]

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>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

Are you questioning the veracity of the NOAA data? Now look who is afraid of science.

I suspect he's questioning your erroneous interpretation of data.

blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017ee434865c970d-pi

I don't recall any interpretation of data. I just cited NOAA's YTD data,.

Thank you for confirming that you are totally clueless when it comes to interpreting time series.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

I question the continuing revision of raw data. When the raw data for yesteryear is adjusted down and the raw data for today is adjusted up, then you find a temperature increase.

But note, the "pause" in warming is something that has been discussed - even on such right-wing denier contrarian sites as realclimate. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/ - this from 2009.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/07/warminginterrupted-much-ado-about-natural-variability/ - also 2009

This is a serious subject and worthy of more than either side here is giving it. Again - not global "cooling." A "pause."

Note - nobody could explain it! It lives on. Unexplained.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 444]

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>What part of "average combined global land and ocean surface temperature"
>could you not wrap your brain around?

Shrillness factor going up - facts departing - must be a denier getting uncomfortably close to science!

Are you questioning the veracity of the NOAA data? Now look who is afraid of science.

I suspect he's questioning your erroneous interpretation of data.

blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017ee434865c970d-pi

I don't recall any interpretation of data. I just cited NOAA's YTD data,.

Thank you for confirming that you are totally clueless when it comes to interpreting time series.

I don’t need to. I am quoting the same climate scientist you blindly followed for years. If in fact global warming was an important issue why does Obama no longer mention it? Two debates and not a word of global warming.

[rushmc 23]

I think this story is more indicitive of why the Obama admin pushed to give these companies money

A123 is the latest example

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The Massachusetts firm dished out nearly $1 million to hire a powerhouse lobbying firm with close ties to President Barack Obama between 2007 and 2009, and two of its top executives made personal donations to several high-profile Democrats in Congress as it won federal funding for its efforts to build the next generation of lithium batteries for electric vehicles.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

ONLY relevant if the oil companies didn't try and lobby him as well.
And that seems highly unlikely.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

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ONLY relevant if the oil companies didn't try and lobby him as well.
And that seems highly unlikely.

Well
The oil companies only get slightly less than 2 billion a year

Obama gave 90 million to alt energy companies in one year

So ya, it is relevant

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln